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What does everyone think of the latest scandal regarding him? Do you think Ch 7 might fire him? I hope not.

I dont recall Dean ever claiming to be done with the River Boys. After all, We've seen lots of characters from thet group go straight while still talking to the boys. Heck, Dean maade his appearance when Ash called him for help. Thats what I love about this show. Bella made me wanna strangle her with how she was acting. She was acting like a petulant insensitive brat, Just like Colby does when someone oesnt go along with what HE wants. To be fair, I only thought that because I was under the impression that she was aware of Dean's trauma aand just didnt care. If she wasnt, it makes it more understandable. However, Im still annoyed with her because it makes no sense that they never had that talk, or that she's not even willing to listen to his side or consider his feelings in the situation. Plus, she should know by now how scarring prison life can be afterwards. I distinctly remember her talking to Nikau an he described how hard it was on Ari. Im even more annoyed because all signs indicate that instead of Bella respecting his ddecision, Dean's gonna be guilted into going anyway, which is already getting old with me. "Taking care" of Bella does not mean bending to her every wim. I doubt it was that way with Colby.

When I said that, I meant Dean coming back when he believed he worked through his grief and was ready to come back. Also, I already responded to H&A Lover's comment so you should check that one out.

Note: I watch episodes at Aus pace. Ari may not have outright demanded Dean to do it, but i remember it being presented in that soap operatic way where it basically presents Dean as the bad guy if he didnt go along with it. I definitely disagreed with his advice to "fake it" instead of giving himself enough time to legit get in the right headspace.

I dont think its fair to make that assumption. People deal with grief in different ways. Sometimes people need some time to themselves and to vent. Plus, Ari going back for Dean was less about helping him and more about what Mac and Bella wanted. It was about them wanting him to come back and comfort Bella simply because of some narrow notion of family. Ari may have believed he was helping Dean at the same time, but that could easily be the result of a self serving perspective. You shouldnt assume that somebody's dealing with a situation the wrong way just cuz its not the "more noble" way you prefer they handle it. Sometimes you should let people deal with things the way they choose to deal with it. All Im saying is that I would have respected the writing more if Ari had simply checked on him, told him about Bella, encouraged him to use his phone and left him be. Dean could have had a mini arc and then he could have come back of his own volition.

I meant stay at the farm until came back back on his own. As in when he decided for himself to come back, not when Ari or somebody else browbeat him into coming back. Ari may have meant well, but it smacks of the same toxic attitude I was talking about earlier. To me, it would have been better if Ari had just checked on Dean, let him know how Bella was and made sure he actually planned to come back at some point.

Good point, but still Bella living at the farm sounded like a good idea. Why couldnt she have stayed there until Dean came back on his own. My main issue is everyone expecting Dean to just "suck it up" and focus ONLY on what Bella wants. Ever since I heard about post partum/natal depression and the.....tragic cases that resulted from it, Im pretty much against forcing/pressuring someone into a caretaking role they arent mentally/physically ready for, especially when theyre supposed to be the sole caretaker. Maybe calling her bratty was bit premature. What I meant was that she couldve been more understanding and sympathetic instead of acting like her need for a shoulder to cry on was more important. Plus, from what iVe read of their relationship, Colby has a habit of taking Dean's loyalty for granted. Or to be more frank, Dean sees Colby as a brother, while Colby sometimes sees Dean as an underling whose loyalty he's entitled to, which has lead to a lot of misery and losses for Dean. From what Im seeing now, it's gonna be the same with Dean and Bella, except Bella will have the other adults backing her up.

Im gonna need context for the yelling and kicking out stuff. When did he do that to her and why. From what Im seeing of her now, Im not going to fault Dean for getting pushed to his breaking point. Though it does confirm my point that they never had that type of relationship and Colby being in jail shouldnt instantly change that.

I agree that Bella shouldnt be alone, but I have to say. 1. She couldve easily stayed with Mac and Ari for a while until Dean came home. They definitely have a spare bedroom with Nikau gone. For all her talk about not wanting to be treated like a kid, she was awfully quick to act like an entitled bratty one instead of maybe understanding Dean's feeling to the situation. Which brings me to 2. From what I recall, when a situation has done a number on his emotional state, Dean has always left the bay to cool off somewhere. Bella shouldve known this by now and respected that he needed some space. 3. From what I know so far, Dean and Bella have never had the same kind of bond Colby and Willow have had with her. He always seemed to be the one who just called her out when she's acting like a petulant fool and not much else. Its naive to think theyre gonna be an instant family.

Im with you about Tane. It was nice of him to take Dean home, but lecturing him was out of line, especially since hes literally in no position to be acting like he's more mature given the mess he got his family into cuz he couldnt get with his brothers GF. He wasnt exactly stalking Ziggy, he just keeps trying to talk to her, which was after Mac talked to him. Which brings me to my point about Mackenzie who, in my opinion, didnt really help Dean cuz I recall her encouraging him to try talking to Ziggy instead of telling him to make peace with the fact that she doesnt want to get back with him. The rest is just pointing out the obvious. Dean's pretty much lost all the people he considered family for years and he lost his son. People dont always do smart things during a breakdown and Deans entitled to one right now. Your point about him running into Ziggy again is the core issue. Colby didnt have to deal with seeing Chelsea everyday after she left him. Ziggy lives in the same town and works in the same area as him. In Deans mind, starting over with Ziggy is the only thing he thinks he can change.

I get that the angst is getting old, but treating Dean and Bella like the bad guy is just a bit narrow minded. 1. From what I understand, Colby decided himself to kill Ross and he did it because he had zero faith that jail wouldve kept him away. If you two saw that arc, can you really say it would have been as simple as just turning him in? 2. As far as covering up for him: Have you ever seen a tv show or soap opera that involved a character killing their abusive anything and their friends either covering up for them or at least wanting to? If you were in their shoes, would you have been so cavalier about turning them in afterwards? At the end of the day, they chose Colby over Ross cuz he was family and Ross was a dark chapter that should have been closed for good.

I think another reason for Nik being ticked off is because they more or less took off without letting him know what they were doing. I theorize that it probably triggered him and/or reminded of when they went off to the bank robbery. In his eyes, if their job had gone wrong, he would have been in the same position he was when he lost his dad.

Im with H&Alover. I dont think he regrets taking the job itself just how badly its backfired on to the family. If there was a change its that he wont resort to crime for cheap thrills , like he sort of did in this case. To be more clear, he might stop resorting to crime for fun, but I doubt he wont resort to it for survival. After all, theyre still living in a house he paid for and it bailed them out again when Ari couldnt make rent. So ill doubt he'll treat this whole thing like a learning experience. And I dont think its fair to say he wasnt as hurt by his brother's death as Ari was. I think he was, but the main difference is that Ari was traumatized afterwards. And even then, hes still willing to do jobs now. I only point this out because I always get irked wwhen shows have a character go through something traumatic and try to pass it off as "learning a lesson". It can be condescending and ignorant to me.