Sally Keating

The problem with this B/S argument (and sorry to be rude, but it IS b/s), is that most of the other soaps in existence have managed to move with the times and still remain true to their roots/still feel like the same show. H&A hasn't. The current producers just wanted to make a totally different show. They kept the brand name, and some characters around, to fool the masses that they're still watching H&A. Assuming that the people who dislike how much the show has changed just want it to be like it was in the 90s, is a very patronising and belittling response. No, I absolutely don't want it to be like it was in the 90s. I want it to be a modern version of Home and Away. Not whatever the hell it's been turned into by people who had no interest in keeping it the same show.

It's a totally different thing because stronger focus on characters like Sophie or Carly did not change the entire tone of the show. However, with the introduction of the Braxtons, the entire town no longer felt like Summer Bay.

Kit and Noah were together briefly.

When Marilyn had amnesia she made a reference to Irene's change of hair colour. This was not a reference to the recast as Lynne McGranger had blonde hair for her first few years in the role.

It's really sad that the writers need Marilyn to be drunk in order to write her as funny. Oh bring back the old writers who understood characters

He just became a little mini replica of Donald, always on Shane's back, hanging around that kicthen set like a bad smell. It was like, get a life of your own Nick. You're a 20-something guy. I am not surprised they wrote him out in the end as they had clearly lost all interest in him. Shame as he was a decent enough character at the start.

Nick did almost nothing in his final year apart from suck up to Donald incessantly and shake his head disapprovingly at Shane.

The ring is a place for a mutual fight among two consenting opponents. For some reason I was just randomly accused of insulting someone's mother when AFAIK I was talking about how an element of the show had changed ? So obviously I'm gonna defend myself against that, I think that's quite understandable. Defending yourself isn't the same as fighting but either way it was over hours ago, I don't see the point in dragging it up again. Let's get back to quick questions!

I don't see how that's any sort of comment on how you were raised. The comment was on the logic that because something was ok for YOU, then it must be fine. I don't see how that's remotely related to how your mother raised you. I don't even know how she raised you in order to comment on it!

Good, because I didn't give one.

Talk about missing the point. I am talking about in specific cirumstances when adults realize they were in the wrong but it's still the child who has to apologize. That CLEARLY doesn't apply at all to Karen and Revhead because Alf and Ailsa never came to realize they were in the wrong (because they weren't). I don't know why you have to pretend to misunderstand people's posts just so you can bring up your favourite rinse/repeat subjects. We all know what I said had nothing to do with the examples you gave. As usual you take someone else's point and warp it into a point they were never making and then apply it to a storyline or example that is completely unrelated and nothing to do with anything. And so am I because that's nothing to do with what I was talking about. I was talking about times when an adult comes to realize they were wrong but it's still the child who has to apologize for being rude (even though it was only their "rudeness" - i.e. daring to talk back - that made the adult realize they were wrong at all). The whole "it did me no harm therefore it's fine" nonsense is like the logic of a 4 year old. The inability to see past the end of one's nose to realize that maybe not everyone in the world has the exact same life, circumstances, surroundings, as you seems to escape some people.

You're arguing against a point nobody was making, but then that's nothing new for you.

One thing that strikes me about the early years of the show is how attitudes have changed towards kids "respecting" their elders (i.e. adults have always to be respected even if they're wrong). Thankfully this rather outdated attitude isn't so prevalent today. In early episodes teenage characters often had to apologize to adult characters for being "rude" even when said adult had been acting totally wrongly and the teenager was just standing up for what was right. Even when the adult realized they were in the wrong, and it was because of the kid being "rude" that they realized it, the kid still had to apologize. It just seems silly now. I don't care if you are 14 or 40, if you are right, you're right; and if you are wrong, you're wrong.

And the minister for Michael's funeral was the same for Shane and Angel's wedding and Marilyn and Donald's.

I guess they just wanted a small, private ceremony that also had minimal cost. I can't remember if we actually knew they were marrying at home prior to the episode in question or whether it was kind of a surprise like "Oh... I guess they're just doing it here then."