~Lynd~ Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 That was on here the other night i didn't watch it though,not my idea of entertainment which is mostly what i watch tv and go to the movies for.
Eli Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 Boring with a lot of blood, that's a way better title. So true!
allibaz91 Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 ^ I wouldn't necessarily go quite as far as boring, but it certainly was gory, and as I've already explained, personally I'm not the greatest fan of the film. But boring wouldn't be a word I think I'd use, as it did tackle issues and have some interesting cinematography in it. But then, that's only interesting to film freaks like me
allibaz91 Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 ^ Lol not even sure if you're still around, Musey
Jess Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 As a jew I found the inherent anti semitism rather obnoxious. I do get tired of the "you killed our lord" insults...which are still today hurled at jews the world over...Mel Gibson has been accused of this before and since...that is of anti semetism. I think this film potentially plays into the hands of those people. ...i.e. racists. That aside..it was a powerful film, very graphic, and very well made, and I think it has some artistic merit. I think I prefer to see it as showing that human beings are pretty horrible to each other rather than as the jews per se were at fault. It could so easily happen in any community anywhere in the world..in fact...sadly it does...human beings the world over are still happy to sacrifice their fellow human beings for their own selfish ends. Nothing changes does it. That is the scary thing. But, if you're a Christian (and know historically) then it is believed that the Jews are the ones who ultimately killed Jesus. As said earlier, Pontius Pilate didn't really have any crime to pin on Jesus and so left it to His own people to decide His fate. That's what makes the story so powerful - the very people He came to save condemned Him. I don't believe it's anti-Semetic because that's the way it happened. Like you say, it could've happened in any community, anywhere in the world. Why God choose Jesus to go into the Jewish world, I'm not sure. I think the "problem" with the film is that when something is portrayed visually, in such a graphic way, it can be easy to point out what could potentially be racist elements. So, in that way, the film could be faulted because it does give people the opportunity to read anti-Semiticism where there is none. I'm not saying that people are wrong for doing this, just that the film is wrong for portraying it in the first place. I really hope I haven't come across as anti-Semetic here - that's really not my intention.
Frankie Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 Well yes I see your point...but I know a lot of Christians who felt that it was anti semitic, and that in some sense it message could be seen as unchristian. It is not the facts that are in dispute, it is how they were put across. Sometimes...It's not what you say so much as how you say it...if you get my meaning. The story itself is not anti semitic...it is a human realistic story...but how you tell that story carries responsibility and I am not entirely convinced that that responsibility was handled without prejudice, nor that people will not use it to perpetuate anti semitic views. Sometimes religious fundamentalism blinds us to the fact that facts are actully open to interpretation..truth is in some senses relative. I think that in this instance we can not KNOW something historically, much of what is written in all the great religious books, The Talmud, The Bible, The Qu'ran etc...was not written contemporaneously, but after the fact an on the basis of stories handed down through generations.... we can believe it..that is what faith is all about, but that it a completely different thing. As a jew, whose fiance also happens to be a muslim I have encountered fundamentalism of various sorts. Every one thinks that their truth is the right one. I would not be so presumptious as to say that what I perceive to be as right is the only way, nor would my fiance.
Jess Posted April 8, 2007 Report Posted April 8, 2007 Well yes I see your point...but I know a lot of Christians who felt that it was anti semitic, and that in some sense it message could be seen as unchristian. It is not the facts that are in dispute, it is how they were put across. Sometimes...It's not what you say so much as how you say it...if you get my meaning. The story itself is not anti semitic...it is a human realistic story...but how you tell that story carries responsibility and I am not entirely convinced that that responsibility was handled without prejudice, nor that people will not use it to perpetuate anti semitic views. Sometimes religious fundamentalism blinds us to the fact that facts are actully open to interpretation..truth is in some senses relative. I think that in this instance we can not KNOW something historically, much of what is written in all the great religious books, The Talmud, The Bible, The Qu'ran etc...was not written contemporaneously, but after the fact an on the basis of stories handed down through generations.... we can believe it..that is what faith is all about, but that it a completely different thing. As a jew, whose fiance also happens to be a muslim I have encountered fundamentalism of various sorts. Every one thinks that their truth is the right one. I would not be so presumptious as to say that what I perceive to be as right is the only way, nor would my fiance. Yeah, I get your point. It's probably true that Mel Gibson didn't just produce the film to show his great belief in Christianity; things could've been handled better. I don't think the message can be seen as un-Christian, but the way it was portrayed, in some senses, can be. Mel Gibson clearly didn't produce the film to show his faith, he wanted to shock people. So, yes, it probably wasn't as sensitive as it could've been. But, then again, the same people who would use it to perpetuate anti-Semitic views would probably use anything, given the chance. I, too, know a lot of Christians who felt it's anti-Semitic but, then again, I also know a lot of people who were shocked by the film. Not just the Jews' role, but the actual description of what happened. Whether it's agreed or not that being shocked by a film can give someone faith, it opened a lot of peoples' eyes to what happened, and for this I think the film can be commended. But, obviously, along with the amplification of the events, there's also the amplification of the Jews' role and I can see how this could be potentially offensive. Mel Gibson is a Catholic, so I guess it can be expected that there will be a certain amount of biase in the film. I don't think there can ever be a film that's perfectly balanced when it comes to subjects like this, otherwise it would be more of a documentary (and documentaries don't generally make for good movies). Gosh, I've just rambled on there without making any real point. So I'll shut up.
Frankie Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 Well..we certainly killed of the conversation in this thread between us jeh jeh... ...anyone seen any other films lately? So to change the topic... and on a lighter note... I loved the Devil Wears Prada...brilliant...Meryl Streep is a legend.....and any one seen Wild Hogs yet ...I really want to see that?
~Rosey~ Posted April 9, 2007 Report Posted April 9, 2007 Hey Frankie...if your still here. I havnt seen either of those movies above. But I despretly want to see The Devil Wears Prada. How was everyone elses Easter?
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