Latest UK Episode Discussion (2006-2017 Seasons)

[H&Alover]

I'm also in agreement about Kat over doing things with smashing that guy's head into the bar, she just needed to twist his arm up behind his back and march him out, it would be the sort of thing Ash and any of the Braxton's would have done. It would have been awkward her having to serve her ex colleagues, but she rose above it. Luckily it worked out for her in the end due to her accusation of the guys sexual harassment and Phoebe would have backed her up, in any case what does her being an ex cop have to do with it apart from the fact she knew how to tackle him. I think Irene, Roo and Marilyn would have applauded if a guy, say Ash, had done it. I liked that one sided chat Ash had with Kat, she did look happier after.

So not only do the folks of the bay not lock their house doors, it seems people living in the vans don't either seeing as Tabby was able to just let herself into Hunter's van!  I can understand him mistaking Tabby for Olivia, it was dark and she was dressed almost the same, but once he started kissing her wouldn't he have thought 'hang on a moment, this isn't Olivia'?

Two points about Tabby - how did she know what Olivia would be wearing that day, her hair, yes, it's Olivia's usual style, but her dress?  Very SWF. She doesn't have a hidden camera in Olivia's room does she?  The other thing she accused Hunter, who I know isn't a saint, of brainwashing Olivia into taping her confessing what she did, that was all Olivia's idea all by herself.  Hasn't she been brainwashing Olivia by badmouthing Hunter?  Yes, he's been guilty of things in the past but this time, pass result fiddling,  he was innocent of.  Will Tabby get expelled which Hunter was told he'd be? I thought she had changed Olivia's as well but not by a big margin. I wonder what she would have done if Olivia had been alone. That did seem more a threat more than a promise she'd make her pay.

It did seem right that it was Chris who saved Evelyn and she felt able to confide in him, he's the only one outside of the family who could understand seeing as he lost Hannah and I liked their talk about how they were both coping (or not).  Nice to hear Leah say she'd keep an eye on her.

It's good to see the Morgan's as family unit, more relaxed, having a laugh, drawing on a sleeping Tori's face. Though seeing as Decker makes an appearance may mean it doesn't last long.  I said before I didn't see Tori and Duncan as a couple but their date seemed to go OK and  for a change she knows he has an ex wife, who following true soap traditions when things are going well for  a new couple,  shows her face tonight, calling herself his 'wife'. 

Zac and Leah's getting to know each other again plan seems to be going well, despite Alf and John's misgivings.  I loved the banter between Marilyn, Roo and Irene teasing John about his feelings towards it.  Him being the reluctant messenger was funny and his repeated remark 'previous comment'.    Leah and Zac did find out things about the other they didn't know before, him wanting to be a writer and her wishing she had travelled or gone to uni.

[Slade]

15 hours ago, H&Alover said:

So not only do the folks of the bay not lock their house doors, it seems people living in the vans don't either

I guess the old argument for locking the doors is that the town or community is very safe but Summer Bay is anything but that.  It's actually quite a dangerous place.

15 hours ago, H&Alover said:

She doesn't have a hidden camera in Olivia's room does she? 

Maybe she took tips off Ryan.

Is it wrong despite the fact that I like Hunter and Olivia that I'm enjoying Tabitha make both of them suffer?  She's hilarious.  The way she lied once more and yet again Olivia believed it.  I just don't understand how she can be so gullible although I guess her insecurity and low self esteem has played a big part.  And it took Irene and Hunter practically begging her to convince Olivia that she was being manipulated.  Good to see Irene acknowledge and understand why Tabitha is the way she is although she was defending Hunter again, even referring to him as a victim (You know I'm starting to think she's part of his fan club).  I think Irene was right not to back down when Tabitha was trying to convince her to speak to Olivia on her behalf.  I must admit whilst I like the entertainment aspect of this storyline there's a part of me that felt sorry for Olivia when she was crying.  I think what really hurt was that she was torn between having to chose between believing her boyfriend and someone who she claimed was her best friend.  So obviously this comes back to trust issues which she had to rebuild after the abuse and are being dismantled.  So I guess they're not going to be attending the same group counseling sessions anymore.  And I will reiterate the point I made a little while ago which was raised in the episode in that whilst it's good for them to attend the group counseling this emphasises exactly why they shouldn't be friends outside.  Two people with serious issues should not be supporting each other.  And I was surprised how many chances Olivia gave her despite the fact that she wanted nothing more to do with her previously.  I think it was very telling that Tabitha was almost begging Olivia and her pleading with Irene was clear desperation to hang onto the friendship.  I quite enjoyed seeing Hunter trying to talk Olivia round and whilst he succeeded in getting her to believe him the damage Tabitha has done has made her change her mind.  Really liked the showdown scene at the end with Hunter.  So I take the fact that Tabitha ripped the photos of her and Olivia from her locker and threw them in the bin is her accepting that she's lost Olivia.  There's now a massive hole so only one thing left....payback!  Can't wait to see what she does next.

Billie stringing VJ along continues to take it's toll with regards to his studies.  And her discarding his homework certainly didn't help (although neither did Hunter pressuring him for advice re Olivia).  Moving back into the house is probably a good idea now as it will make things easier.  It will also be less claustrophobic which could be less stress and less arguing like they did after VJ understandably got upset with her.  Leah was aware of this but she stayed out of it because she realised interfering before simply made VJ more resistant to any of her suggestions so she was wise to act purely as an advisory role to Billie, knowing that VJ would listen to her.

Didn't occur to me what the issue with Ellie could be until I saw the way she was acting in the classroom although going by the preview it should be confirmed today.

Completely forgot Phoebe worked at Summer Bay high.

[H&Alover]

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I certainly don't find Tabby hilarious, anything but.  She's got a few reasons to get back at Olivia (her suspension for one) and the fact Olivia wouldn't give her another chance whatever it's going to be it won't be pleasant.   Is Irene going to be on her hit list seeing as she wouldn't put in a good word with Olivia for her.  Is Tabby still going to counselling as Irene suggested Tabby get exactly that.  It was good insight by Irene  regarding Tabby's behaviour, it isn't however what Olivia needs on her plate. Though it is probably good in one way to be friends with someone else who is in counselling as they can understand what you are going through where no-one else can if that someone is like Tabby they are just transferring their needs on to another vulnerable person.  Big decision for Olivia to break with both Tabby and Hunter but maybe at the moment a wise one, he does have his own problems he needs to address.   You know in some scenes I wasn't able to tell Tabby and Olivia apart they were looking so alike.

A visual cliché with VJ putting the cot together before checking if it'd fit through the van door. I can understand why VJ would feel like a failure moving back in with his mum when he's about to become a 'dad' but as Leah said (and I did mentally) it takes an adult to admit they need help and not be ashamed or too proud to take it.

Phoebe nearly had Ellie until she gave it away Matt had asked her to keep an eye out for her.  That Miss Talbot did come across as very harsh, I'll guess we'll find out tonight what made Ellie overact the way she did.  Could it be as Angelica  suggested that she is dyslexic but if so surely someone would have picked up on it at her last school and what about any homework she would have had?

Decker is also back and it didn't look like he was in a good place, this 'if anything happens to me go to this address'. malarkey.   I may be totally wrong but I think Justin's arrest was a set up  as a ruse to get him to Yabby Creek nick.

Forgot to put yesterday about the scene with Brody and Justin where Justin wanted to get Brody in the shower as Brody was smelling a bit and making  a hash of wrapping his leg in cling film until Phoebe stepped in. Neat little ending when Brody told Justin he hadn't been in the shower all the time! 

[samdanfan]

8 hours ago, Slade said:

I guess the old argument for locking the doors is that the town or community is very safe but Summer Bay is anything but that.  It's actually quite a dangerous place.

Maybe she took tips off Ryan.

Is it wrong despite the fact that I like Hunter and Olivia that I'm enjoying Tabitha make both of them suffer?  She's hilarious.  The way she lied once more and yet again Olivia believed it.  I just don't understand how she can be so gullible although I guess her insecurity and low self esteem has played a big part.  And it took Irene and Hunter practically begging her to convince Olivia that she was being manipulated.  Good to see Irene acknowledge and understand why Tabitha is the way she is although she was defending Hunter again, even referring to him as a victim (You know I'm starting to think she's part of his fan club).  I think Irene was right not to back down when Tabitha was trying to convince her to speak to Olivia on her behalf.  I must admit whilst I like the entertainment aspect of this storyline there's a part of me that felt sorry for Olivia when she was crying.  I think what really hurt was that she was torn between having to chose between believing her boyfriend and someone who she claimed was her best friend.  So obviously this comes back to trust issues which she had to rebuild after the abuse and are being dismantled.  So I guess they're not going to be attending the same group counseling sessions anymore.  And I will reiterate the point I made a little while ago which was raised in the episode in that whilst it's good for them to attend the group counseling this emphasises exactly why they shouldn't be friends outside.  Two people with serious issues should not be supporting each other.  And I was surprised how many chances Olivia gave her despite the fact that she wanted nothing more to do with her previously.  I think it was very telling that Tabitha was almost begging Olivia and her pleading with Irene was clear desperation to hang onto the friendship.  I quite enjoyed seeing Hunter trying to talk Olivia round and whilst he succeeded in getting her to believe him the damage Tabitha has done has made her change her mind.  Really liked the showdown scene at the end with Hunter.  So I take the fact that Tabitha ripped the photos of her and Olivia from her locker and threw them in the bin is her accepting that she's lost Olivia.  There's now a massive hole so only one thing left....payback!  Can't wait to see what she does next.

Billie stringing VJ along continues to take it's toll with regards to his studies.  And her discarding his homework certainly didn't help (although neither did Hunter pressuring him for advice re Olivia).  Moving back into the house is probably a good idea now as it will make things easier.  It will also be less claustrophobic which could be less stress and less arguing like they did after VJ understandably got upset with her.  Leah was aware of this but she stayed out of it because she realised interfering before simply made VJ more resistant to any of her suggestions so she was wise to act purely as an advisory role to Billie, knowing that VJ would listen to her.

Didn't occur to me what the issue with Ellie could be until I saw the way she was acting in the classroom although going by the preview it should be confirmed today.

Completely forgot Phoebe worked at Summer Bay high.

Yes things are not as they use to be its not safe to leave things unlocked anymore

[Skylover]

Evie's delusional behaviour about Oscar was a great storyline. I think they've done a good job with her character since losing Hannah, Josh and Oscar.

[Red Ranger 1]

Alf's episode count this week:Three.

Oh, where to start?Well...Kat.Whilst the guy was a sleaze and something needed to be done, slamming his head against the counter seemed to go beyond stopping him into dishing out punishment.So while I appreciate McCarthy going into bat for her, I wasn't keen on Irene and Marilyn treating her like she was a hero who stuck a blow for feminism.Evelyn is a character who I ran out of sympathy for about two years ago so I wouldn't have minded if she'd kept sinking.It was smart to have Chris, who's not directly involved, rescue her rather than Zac or Mason, and he proved to be not so random as he also lost someone in the explosion and can relate.At least she thanked Mason for saving her the first time.Leah and Zac's space seems to be working well but I loved John thinking the whole thing is insane ("See previous statement"), he's always good value.(I'd be remiss, though, not to point out that, funny as it was, John saying he was married to Gina when he first saw Marilyn: Marilyn was at their wedding, having been back in town several months, and I'm too lazy to look up at what point in the midst of all the on/off/having a fling with Romeo's mother shenanigans she turned up.)

I don't think there's anything sexual about Tabitha's interest in Olivia, Irene took the words out of my mouth when she pointed out that Tabitha's lived her whole life watching her sick sister get all the attention and just wants someone to care about her.Unfortunately, as is the case too often, Irene shows limited compassion for someone who needs help and prioritises making sure that one of her own is okay.I've actually quite disliked her at times in this storyline, she's been nasty and judgemental towards Tabitha from the moment they met and I wish Olivia had pulled her up when she dismissed Tabitha as "crazy" like she did with Hunter a few scenes later.I'll accept Irene refusing to help Tabitha because she can't tell Olivia who to be friends with so long as she doesn't then start telling her to take Hunter back...sadly, I'm expecting her to do just that by the end of next week and probably by the end of the next episode they appear.I was worried the show was going to do something stupid like expel Tabitha for something that Hunter only had to resit an exam for, but I'll take the suspension since there was no direct equivalent.

So, are we to assume Ellie's dyslexic as seems to be implied?It's an interesting road to go down and gives Matt something good to do.I kind of like it when the show remembers that he and Phoebe are meant to be friends.And over eight years after her first mention, we meet the woman who married Duncan Stewart! Not actually minding her so far.It didn't occur to me that she'd be American, which I suppose it should have done.

I was expecting a symbolic destruction of Mick's blanket at one point but I thought it would be Irene rather than Billie.While I get that she's got a very good reason to hate him, it did seem somewhat unfair on Irene.I'm rather disappointed that the show's moved VJ and Billie out of the caravan and into the house so quickly.I understand the point about practicalities but I liked them having their independence and it seems like we haven't actually seen them living on their own together.

While I think Justin's overreacting towards Decker, the guy does seem to have some odd ideas about what he's meant to do with people in witness protection, because it's not meant to involve asking them to help him out.Is there really no-one else in the whole police force that he can trust?

[H&Alover]

Well, sorry to gloat but yes Justin's 'arrest' was a set up, Decker must be desperate to talk to him, sadly Justin isn't interested.  inevitable I suppose  The Syndicate would have a rat in the force and now of course as they are getting close the danger he will show his hand is looking stronger. Decker's remark he is more involved with the family than Justin knows did make me wonder if he was the man Brody remembered his mum rowing with when he was a little boy, he could get away with it age wise - just, Brody looked about three - four and he must be in his late 20's now so it is possible. I think the usual ,practice with WP is that just one man/woman looks after whoever it is. 

It may have been my imagination but I thought Tori looked kind of jealous when Nate met Cynthia at The Diner, then she subtly tackled him later and the smile on her face as she walked away after finding out it was about a job didn't dissuade me otherwise. The bubble about her enjoying a breakfast with Duncan was burst when she walked in and Caroline introduced herself as his wife, though as I said before I thought Duncan said they were divorced?   First appearances can be deceptive, she did ask Tori how she knew Duncan which Tori managed to avoid answering due to Alf and Roo turning up. Nice to see Bryce, Duncan's son though.

I guess Billie had her reason for first throwing that blanket away then burning it, but  Mick never got to be wrapped in it so it's not contaminated in any way, perhaps it's just the connection to him that's spooked her.

I guess we could be leaping to conclusions about Ellie being dyslexic, but from her description of how words jump about on the page it does seem to fit the symptoms.  If it is all I can repeat is the schools she went to before were pretty rubbish to not have spotted something was wrong and Aunty May has been remiss as well for not noticing.  Ellie did say what a lot of people say before they are diagnosed that they are stupid or dumb.  Casey was the last kid to be diagnosed with it and he was older.

 

[Brian]

Justin mentioned to Phoebe that she knows his real name. Presumably they are not Morgans. So if they are all living under false names, how come Brody was able to buy the restaurant? What name did he put on his purchase agreement?

Very fortunate that Chris recused Evie from drowning, but could he really see just a head above the water so far out?

Getting fed up with the Tabitha storyline - it's going nowhere. Good to see that Matt has something to do now, but is he working and earning money to pay for their keep?  Hope he sorts his sister out.  Looking forward to seeing Mason and Evie becoming friends (with benefits???) again.

[Dan F]

Just now, Brian said:

Justin mentioned to Phoebe that she knows his real name. Presumably they are not Morgans. So if they are all living under false names, how come Brody was able to buy the restaurant? What name did he put on his purchase agreement?

All that would have been sorted out by the witness protection team, they'd have new legal names.

Justin and Brody's real names have already been revealed on-screen, Jack & Bart Lee.

[Slade]

Sick of seeing Justin stuff his face and talking with his mouth full.  So annoying.  When the cops pulled him over he could have played the race card.  On a serious note whilst I think Decker was reasonable before when he used Justin as bait to arrest Spike I'm not sure his request about taking the letter to the unspecified address is.  I guess it essentially comes down to trust.  Does Justin trust Decker enough to follow his request?  Found Decker's suggestion about he and Justin being connected interesting.  I did find it funny the way Justin asked Phoebe out.  Almost like he didn't want to go out with her.  Have to say she looked pretty good in that dress.  Obviously went to a lot of effort so clearly likes him a lot.

There was me thinking the baby was going to get the blanket that was originally her father's but Billie's ended that happening.  Initially I thought she destroyed it because it was a constant reminder of what happened but that can't be it because she's carrying a bump which is also a constant reminder - Although going by what I said previously if she has now convinced herself that VJ is actually the father then perhaps that doesn't matter.  I do actually think from her perspective it perhaps didn't feel right passing something that belonged to a rapist onto a girl (not that it would be right passing it onto a boy but a girl is even worse).  And I think her burning the blanket is significant.  Almost a way completely remove traces of Mick again going on the logic that she has now convinced herself that VJ is the father.

I found it quite funny the way Tori wasn't just looking but was jealously staring when Nate had a job interview when she initially thought it was a date in the diner when she was on her date (Although she was careful to do it when Duncan wasn't present).  It's obvious that she still likes him.  Probably more than Duncan.  But she's chosen Duncan because she feels he's the safer option in terms of relationship material.  I assume that the way Nate looked at her from the beach that he still likes her although I do still think at this stage he should be looking to meet other people.  It will be interesting to see if Tori's attitude towards Duncan changes given that his wife and kid have rocked up from the US.

Even though I like Alf biting people's heads off, I do like that he and Duncan are getting on OK now.  So can I assume some investigation has revealed something as Duncan no longer thinks he's at fault for the crash even though he doesn't now about the Morgan's secret?  Found myself in agreement with Roo about wanting to go into business with Alf.  I think it would be a mistaking going into business with him especially now.  Don't want to rock the boat.