Jon Sivewright

[-Karen-]

I can only agree about the facial expressions.... he has had some great ones over the years! I think he is especially cute with Martha... they have more of a friendship than a father-in-law/daughter-in-law relationship. Remember when they had a falling out over the bar last year and Tony was devastated?.... he said something like "I used to be your father-in-law.... there was nothing we couldn't talk about"

I think a few more Tachel cute moments would go down very well indeed. Thursday's episode was great.. everything about it.... Tony wanting to rush home and start the baby making, Rachel saying that she didn't think they would get any 'you and me' time today (I think we know what she was talking about!), the pat in the butt (See my new av!), the arms around each other as they walked away, Tony telling Rachel that Colleen wanted to go on honeymoon with them, Rachel saying that Tony would be pleased to see her when she got home, then the stuff at the end was the best..... especially when Tony said her to forget about today and think about tonight! Sorry for going through all that... it's just Tachel moments are like buses.... you wait ages for one then loads come all at once!!

[char1617]

lol i like the fact you went through it .. reminds me of how good the episode was soo cute best part had to be the butt-pat and the bit at the end more cute tachel scenes

your av karen is cracking btw

the tachel kiss at the end was a long time coming

also loved how protective tony was of rachel in thurdays episode ... he could do some serious harm with that spanner which made me laugh for ages

[champagne_char]

Aww so great to know that others love the Tachelness too! Thurs ep was just lovely, it reminded me that they acually have a realtonship, and a good one at that! And Kren Im loving your avatar!

[TachelHolden]

tony looked soo hurt when he found out he wasnt getting married felt so sorry for him

[emmasi]

Just watched a certain Tazz video... Oh Tazz So perfect together... Sure she was a little insane, but in a good way! She loved him like crazy

Anyway, not why I came in here...

I woke up this morning and the radio guy said "Come to Mt Penang Park Lands! We have Home and Away and All Saints stars!! RIGHT NOW!!!" So I jumped out of bed and called my friend - and woke him up - to get him to drive me there. But when we got there, the Home and Away star (singular) was already gone... and that star's name... was Jon Sivewright . So close... but at least we didn't pay to get in and THEN find out he was gone... Once we realised he wasn't there, my friend pretended that he left his wallet in the car, and then we drove away

Still, I could have almost met Tony... exciting!

[-Karen-]

Close but no cigar! He must have a done a runner when he found out you were on your way!! Just joking! Have you never met him before when you have been to Palmie?... I'll get there one day!

[emmasi]

Nah, I haven't met him. I've only met Jack (twice!) and Rory . I was very close to Todd, Charlotte, and Conrad (uncomfortably so...) but they were pretty much on set (waiting around to film) and I didn't want to disturb them. Paul was just easy to ambush on his way back to the trailer because he had a small child to slow him down

[-Karen-]

Well the time has come to resurrect this thread.. page 3 is not good enough for HotDad... despite him being a naughty boy!

I wanted the try and generate some discussion about what's happening to HotDad at the moment, without mentioning spoilers of course!

There have been a few people.. myself included... who have mentioned that Tony's recent behaviour has been weak and pathetic. There is the argument that, as he is not a real person and just a fictional character, we can blame the writers. And we can to a certain extent... they write the script and Jon portrays that in the scenes. I don't like what they have done to him during this recent debacle. As Rachel said today, he should have learnt after how he behaved after Beth's death. And we were led to believe he had so it was even more disappointing that they went down this route with him.

I feel his general demenour over the last few days is down to the guilt. Yes he does have a 'hang dog' expression, as he did following the Naomi incident, but I feel that he is someone who is not used to treating people badly and has never cheated on anyone in his life so he doesn't know how to cope with it. This was also evident when he didn't put up much of a fight for Rachel. I don't think he had a clue what to do to make it better.. in reality there wasn't a lot he could say... 'I'm sorry'... 'I love you'... 'Please forgive me'? I don't think anything could make it alright. He is not exactly experienced at 'getting out' of these situations so he takes a submissive approach to it, for want of a better word. The question is.. is this self pity or vulnerability??

Lucas said he is the 'strongest person he knows' and he is in some ways. He can be forgiven for the way he went on after Beth's death as grief does funny things to a person. But he is a strong father figure and has brought his kids up well, he is strong when he is there for people and has been strong to overcome more than his fair share of tragedy. He was also strong when he resisted Jazz! But it is these little situations where he shows weakness. The line this week that really irked me was the 'I don't deserve you' one! What was that about?!

Something else I wanted to bring up is the way he is with women. He is not the most confident person around women... look at how he was when he asked Beth out, and Rachel for that matter. He was a nervous wreck! Yet contrast that with all the one night stands he has had since Beth died! He has probably had more women in the last year that he has in the previous 20 years! Maybe he is only nervous when it really matters, like with Beth and Rachel. He was different altogether with Jazz so I won't complictae things by going into that.

If you look at the person he was when he was with Beth, he was caring, considerate, vulnerable, sensitive, etc. I don't think he has changed much as he is still all those things, he has just made some bad decisions. And that is mainly down to the fact that so much more has happened to him to make things go not so 'swimmingly'. When he was with Beth is was like groundhog day.. there were very few relationship traumas and consequently he didn't do a lot.

So.... I don't like the route they have taken him recently but I'm sure he can turn it around and show a little strength by fighting for Rachel. At the end of the day he is still the same old HotDad.. he just needs to move on from this and show different sides to his character as there is a lot more to him than we have seen of late.

And just incase anyone important is reading this... some Roman style Rambo scenes for HotDad would go down very well indeed!

[-Karen-]

I just want to add one thing that I forgot....

Let's campaign for HotDad to get his job back at the school! The gym is so boring and the school would give him a lot more storyline opportunities. It may also allow him to become closer to Miles (in a friends way!)

[emmasi]

I warned you, but no one listened to me. I told you this would turn bad, but you wouldn't believe it. And now look where we are. Tony "not good enough" for Rachel - like anyone could ever bee good enough in her eyes - and him taking all the blame for BOTH of them having a poor relationship where the communication breaks down so easily that Tony was easily able to assume that Rachel had run off with someone else, and that he'd be justified in doing the same.

With Rachel's form, I don't blame Tony one bit. Well, I do for sleeping with random women - that's skanky - but not about "misjudging" Rachel.

Anyway... I don't hate Tony. I continue to hate him being lumped with Rachel, and having his soul crushed with guilt and confusion because nothing he'll ever do will be good enough for her. She's actually already throwing his past back in his face, a past that had nothing to do with her and was none of her business, and yet it's suddenly her right to tell him what a terrible person he was for not coping well with the death of his near-wife, and for loving her (Rachel) so much that just the thought of losing her made him respond the same way as if she had died. That's pretty serious love right there - and he's an idiot in my opinion for wasting it on her, because it will never be enough. She'll "forgive" him, marry him, and a few months from now she'll be hopping into bed with someone else and saying "BUT YOU DID IT FIRST AND I FORGAVE YOU!!!"