Quick Questions

[cymbaline]

In the mid-90s Michael rescued a little orphaned Yugoslavian girl in the bush and tried to foster her. Then they found some relatives and sent her to live with them. Did they ever say where the relatives were living? It sounds crazy to send a kid to live in the middle of a war zone. Imagine if it was a Ukranian kid now - would anybody be sending them back home? 

[Red Ranger 1]

Yes, they did make a big deal about the fact she was being sent back into a war zone. But, well, what else can you do? Removing Ukrainian children from their families by force and excusing it as "saving" them is not considered acceptable now. (And thankfully things in Bosnia settled down relatively soon after.)

[CaptainHulk]

On 11/06/2023 at 11:45, cymbaline said:

It has echoes of Luke Skywalker fancying Princess Leia, doesn't it? 

Christ, Don would be lethal with a light saber.

On 11/06/2023 at 14:12, nenehcherry2 said:

Whilst it may be a deeply disturbing concept to many (if not most), GSA is apparently a very true phenomenon whereby very close relatives relatives who didn't grow up together / spend significant time in their "critical learning period" (& therefore meet as adults or teens) feel a deep sexual connection when they finally meet, especially if unaware of their connection. In Bobby and Alan's case, they didn't even find out about their familial connection until after his death. So it's very possible that some serious GSA was going on there. Neighbours explored this in 1991 with Glen and Lucy (who almost did the deed AFTER finding out they were half siblings). And EastEnders with David and Bianca (father/daughter). Of course, Brookside went a million steps further with two full siblings who DID in fact grow up together with lifelong knowledge of their relationship. 

What makes it all the more (retrospectively) uncomfortable... Bobby was technically a "three quarters sibling" to Alan and Rebecca. That's a true term used in genealogy and in genetics. Not only did they share a father but their mothers were full sisters (Morag and Barbara). In other words, simultaneously half siblings and first cousins. So their level of genetic affinity is around halfway between that of half siblings and full siblings. 

David was actually contacting the samaritans over it. I put it down to her reminding him a lot of a teenage Carol (his one true love, 2nd wife Lorraine didn't come close and Cindy and Sam were both a "bit of fun)

Re: Bobby/Alan sibling relationship would be the dominant one ala Bernice and Paul in Emmerdale whose mothers were the Lambert sisters and their father being Rodders.

There were also Gavin and Polly Arnold in Family Affairs (C5's own show they put a knife in) who were siblings who partook in consensual incest.

[project90]

There's the Alf Maureen relationship as well, years later turning out she was his niece. By memory I'm very sure they did have sex.

Something that you may not know is it is perfectly legal to marry your neice/nephew in Australia as well as your couisn (no I don't mean second cousin). I'm a marriage celebrant and i didn't find out this until I did my training, our whole class was grossed out. But then it illegal to marry an adopted sibling who you aren't biologically related to, it's weird.

[j.laur5]

3 hours ago, project90 said:

There's the Alf Maureen relationship as well, years later turning out she was his niece. By memory I'm very sure they did have sex.

Something that you may not know is it is perfectly legal to marry your neice/nephew in Australia as well as your couisn (no I don't mean second cousin). I'm a marriage celebrant and i didn't find out this until I did my training, our whole class was grossed out. But then it illegal to marry an adopted sibling who you aren't biologically related to, it's weird.

God I think it’s gross to even marry a second cousin let alone own your first cousin or Aunt and uncle . 
 

You think it be legal as aunt and uncle are  usually like second parents!. 

[Red Ranger 1]

22 hours ago, project90 said:

Something that you may not know is it is perfectly legal to marry your neice/nephew in Australia as well as your couisn (no I don't mean second cousin).

What?! I know there's some countries where it's legal and possibly even encouraged in some cases (it's how the old continental royal families ended up so in-bred), but I didn't realise Australia was one of them! First cousins in legal in the UK, with certain exceptions, so I've never been bothered by that, but aunt/uncle/niece/nephew definitely isn't.

[nenehcherry2]

 

9 hours ago, j.laur5 said:

God I think it’s gross to even marry a second cousin let alone own your first cousin or Aunt and uncle . 
 

You think it be legal as aunt and uncle are  usually like second parents!. 

Highly subjective statement. Whilst you may find it "gross" for second cousins to marry / procreate, let's be more objective here and appreciate that everyone is entitled to a different view, as well as the fact that this board represents cultural diversity. It's entirely possible that some of us may have family members or friends who are in that position, so a polite reminder to be more sensitive, empathetic and inclusive when stating opinions driven purely by your own personal disgust. Especially when not even offering any reasoning as to why it disgusts you. 

Many (if not a majority) of my friends in the UK and US of Pakistani and Bangladeshi backgrounds have parents who are first cousins. It's the norm and, if anything, was historically encouraged.  Yes, there's a higher rate than average of certain conditions like Cleft Pallet Syndrome and Cystic Fibrosis in those communities. But the vast majority of those folks are healthy, hard working people. There are other cultures with the OPPOSITE view on this topic (eg most traditional Hindus won't even consider marriage within seven degrees of kinship). The Northwestern European cultural view sits somewhere in between (with the notable exception of European Royal Families). None is "right" and none is "wrong". Just different. So be more respectful, please. 

Genetic fact = the closer the degree of kinship (i.e. the more the number of identical chromosomal segments shared) between two individuals, the higher the odds of recessive allele sharing for offspring (which can often but not always lead to extremely problematic results). The risks for second cousin offspring is extremely low whereas they are very high indeed for full siblings, parent/child, uncle/niece and so on. That's a biological fact. On a sociological level, many first cousins have not grown up together (and in many cases have never even met), so the "Westermarck effect" never kicked in. So it's less sociologically/psychologically "troubling" for most to accept such relationships versus sibling relationships. Hence why very few cultures, ancient or contemporary (with the exception of Ancient Egyptian royalty) have practiced sibling marriage. But second cousin marriage is rarely a social taboo nor illegal in most (but not all) cultural systems. And first cousin marriage often a (lesser) taboo, dependant on the geographic setting. 

Edited June 13, 2023 by nenehcherry2

[CaptainHulk]

On 11/06/2023 at 08:23, nenehcherry2 said:

And then you had Lucinda's tip toed booty calls to Nick's room at Donald's place... 

And the tiptoed ones to Ryan's van

[cymbaline]

Ryan mustn't have known the rules because he woke up half of Summer Bay bringing Lucinda home

[Old H&A Fan]

Did his BMW have a hole in its muffler?