Belle/Aden

[John]

I wonder are we expecting too much of both Belle and Aden at the moment. Both have been through traumatic events in their lives and clearly neither of them are thinking clearly or making good life choices. Both at this stage need someone to cling to just to keep afloat and its a desperate need. It's easy to look in as observers from outside the relationship and say Aden should face up to this and Belle should have done that. Neither of them are in a good enough place to be making those sort of good choices. All they know is that Aden trusts Belle enough to share his darkest secrets with her and Belle values that trust enough to stand by him. From their point of view they are clinging to that and nothing else matters.

Edited December 19, 2008 by john003au

[solaris]

I wonder are we expecting too much of both Belle and Aden at the moment. Both have been through traumatic events in their lives and clearly neither of them are thinking clearly or making good life choices. Both at this stage need someone to cling to just to keep afloat and its a desperate need. It's easy to look in as observers from outside the relationship and say Aden should face up to this and Belle should have done that. Neither of them are in a good enough place to be making those sort of good choices. All they know is that Aden trusts Belle enough to share his darkest secrets with her and Belle values that trust enough to stand by him. From their point of view they are clinging to that and nothing else matters.

This is an excellent point! When you're on the outside looking in, the bigger picture is almost inveriabley clearer than when you're living the situation.

Emotions are messy and illogical, psychology might follow broad patterns but in it's detail is individual. How you react in different situations is shaped by personality and past experiences...I think Aden and Belle need some time to work though the nightmares they've both been through.

[Jody]

I wonder are we expecting too much of both Belle and Aden at the moment. Both have been through traumatic events in their lives and clearly neither of them are thinking clearly or making good life choices. Both at this stage need someone to cling to just to keep afloat and its a desperate need. It's easy to look in as observers from outside the relationship and say Aden should face up to this and Belle should have done that. Neither of them are in a good enough place to be making those sort of good choices. All they know is that Aden trusts Belle enough to share his darkest secrets with her and Belle values that trust enough to stand by him. From their point of view they are clinging to that and nothing else matters.

Well said. I couldn't agree more.

[bailey4]

I wonder are we expecting too much of both Belle and Aden at the moment. Both have been through traumatic events in their lives and clearly neither of them are thinking clearly or making good life choices. Both at this stage need someone to cling to just to keep afloat and its a desperate need. It's easy to look in as observers from outside the relationship and say Aden should face up to this and Belle should have done that. Neither of them are in a good enough place to be making those sort of good choices. All they know is that Aden trusts Belle enough to share his darkest secrets with her and Belle values that trust enough to stand by him. From their point of view they are clinging to that and nothing else matters.

This is a very, very, very good point!!! I think we are expecting too much from these two, and thats going for both Adelle haters and lovers! I think you summed it up pretty nicely John

[Slade]

I wonder are we expecting too much of both Belle and Aden at the moment. Both have been through traumatic events in their lives and clearly neither of them are thinking clearly or making good life choices. Both at this stage need someone to cling to just to keep afloat and its a desperate need. It's easy to look in as observers from outside the relationship and say Aden should face up to this and Belle should have done that. Neither of them are in a good enough place to be making those sort of good choices. All they know is that Aden trusts Belle enough to share his darkest secrets with her and Belle values that trust enough to stand by him. From their point of view they are clinging to that and nothing else matters.

The point about Aden trusting Belle is a valid one as if I can remember she was the only one he revealed the abuse to (I really can’t remember when Roman found out, I think it may have been when he got arrested, someone correct me if I’m wrong). If as you say they have been through traumatic events, not thinking clearly and are desperate do you think it’s wise for them to be involved in a relationship with one another at the moment?

[jenlee]

This is all certainly a lot more intense than the old thread

I still like Aden and Belle together but after the way they went about getting together, I do prefer them apart and would even change my av if my photo bucket account was working

Ultimately I want Belle and Aden to be together and I really think that if they did a Hayley/Noah situation with them, things might turn out ok. I think they need to properly break up for a while. A long while. I think if they both move on, date other people, have actual relationships with other people, it would cause them both to mature, to grow up. Then maybe in a year or so get back together (without hurting anyone in the process) and actually be good together.

[Red Ranger 1]

I'm tempted to opt out of this conversation because it is going round and round in circles and making me behave in a way I don't like and say things I don't really mean to score cheap points.I apologise to anyone who's been annoyed or upset by my posts.

Aden, for whatever reason, felt able to confide in Belle.Fine.That's good.He needed someone supporting him and it probably helped him.However, I don't see why that meant they needed to go back to being a couple again.He needed a friend and, although Belle handled the situation sensitively and didn't push him, trying to have something romantic possibly wasn't what he needed at the time.

Since Aden came out of the clinic, I can only think of two occasions when Belle has genuinely helped him.The first was when she talked him into speaking out in court(Roman tried and so did Morag to an extent but it was Belle he listened to).The second was when she went with him to see his father.(Which was a bit random in itself since nothing was really resolved and he hasn't been mentioned since but I digress.)Aside from that, up until the point they got back together, the conversations mainly consisted of them arguing about their relationship and making each other miserable or her trying to involve him in her development investigation, encouraging him to break the law and risk his job and his liberty.I personally would consider bringing him along for a spot of breaking and entering far more irresponsible than playing truant with him.I think Nicole giving him a dose of normality and Roman providing him with a family situation is a lot more likely to help his recovery.Maybe Nicole does spend a lot of time talking about her and Geoff but listening to other people's problems can be quite therapeutic.That's probably why he likes hanging around with Melody.

The way they got back together...Well, I'll say it again even though no-one really disagrees with me.If Aden and Belle love each other and want to be together, that's fair enough.But there are right ways and wrong ways to go about it and they definitely chose the wrong way.It's all right feeling guilty but if it's not going to stop you doing the wrong thing and if you're not going to learn from it then it's not really to your credit that much.

Oddly, given that they seem incapable of being friends, I can actually see them going that way a lot more easily than I can see them getting married and living happily ever after.I can see them with other people but still fond of each other and aware that their time together was special to both of them. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

[chelsjo]

I am a massive, massive fan of Adelle and I've loved Belle since forever and since the Adelle journey began I've grown really fond of Aden.

I've read through the some comments and some points have really bugged me. Here's my take on some of them, they are no particular order and yes, I have exhibits:

1) Positive Effects

To say Belle and Aden haven't had a positive effect on each other then you must have of been asleep while watching the past six months of episodes. Aden was in denial about the abuse he suffered, he didn't want to deal with it but as he really liked and cared about Belle and he really wanted to have a healthy and productive relationship with her, he knew he would have to deal with his problems so he began counseling and as result he was able to work through them and have sex with Belle and move forward with their relationship in a positive way. You can't really comment on the length of time he had counseling as it would be different for everybody in how long it takes for a person to get through problems. Also through this time when Belle knew the truth of the abuse she gave him the ultimate amount of support and allowed him to confide all in her .

Exhibit A -6:42 to 9:48.

From early on Belle also gently pushed Aden to try and fix his relationship with his father (something that should be a positive thing).

Exhibit B -5:27 to 5:35.

Exhibit C -3:21 to 3:30.

Yes she should of probably of told him straight away when she saw he was drinking, she did make an error in judgment but she did tell him and realized it wasn't pushing to fixing his relationship that would be a positive effect, that he needed support and someone to confide, she became that person.

Exhibit D 4:02 to 10:48.

The kidnapping occurred because of Aden suffering a breakdown, his Dad basically caused him to crack and for the period of the “hostage” Aden become a totally different person, Belle knew for him to become himself again, admit what he did was wrong and get better he had to do it while he was single.

Belle was still having a positive effect on Aden even when they had broken up, Aden didn't want people to judge him and he didn't want anyone that knew to speak of the abuse during the court case, Belle made him realize that to stop himself from going to prison he would have to speak of the abuse, which did save him from prison.

Exhibit E -0:00 to 1:53

She then gently pushed him again to visit his dad and was very supportive. She knew he had to visit his dad to close that chapter in his life, yes Aden didn't completely choose the chapter it did help him move forward.

Exhibit F -1:48 to 2:46 and 6:01 to 7:04.

Now the tables have turned with Aden being a positive effect on Belle of late, he has been really sweet, promised to help her through everything and encouraged her that seeing a counselor would really her through her PTSD.

Exhibit G -5:03 to 7:12

2) Cheating on Angelo

I don't really think I condone what Belle did to Angelo as Angelo did trust her but as her love and passion for Aden did overcome her, she got swept up in the moment and she decided to stop denying those feelings for Aden that never actually went away. She was only really ever with Angelo not because she was falling head of heals for him but because she wanted to try a "safe" (boring) relationship, she had been in two tumultuous relationships and she wanted to see if just plain old dating someone was going to work for her.

She didn't string Angelo on to be selfish, she had honorable reasons and it was for something that was much bigger than the Adelle and Angelo triangle. Yes, people were dying and if she didn't solve the 'mystery' more people would of died. Maybe the best decision when thinking about Angelo would have been to tell straight away but she needed to uncover the whole toxic development mess. She did feel really guilty for what happened with Angelo and how he found out.

Exhibit H -1:41 to 3:32

Please, please stop talking about Angelo like he is a saint, the last few weeks of HnA show he is not, he shouldn't of got mad like did, yes he wasn't the one that bashed Belle but he did lose control, threw a chair, punched the hole in a wall and said some horrible, horrible things to her.

Exhibit I -2:43 to 3:16 and 6:28 to 7:03

She does speak of the guilt and wishes to speak to him about it after discussing it with her counselor this until she sees him speaking to the guy who attacked her.

Exhibit J -Throughout

4) The Reunion Scene

Someone a few days ago made out like Aden raped her, he did no such thing he just wanted Belle to stop denying the obvious feelings she had for him, plus there no doubt that the kiss which lead to more was two-sided, Belle went in for more a few times.

Exhibit K -1:09 to- 2:41

5) Scene with Aden drunk in Belle's bedroom

I honestly don't see the problem with this and she did already know him, spent time that same day at the hospital with him and she knew he was upset about his dad, she did tell him to sleep on the floor, he crawled into the bed, she did ask him to leave but they did end up sharing. They were just sharing a bed, it's not like they had a one-night stand.

6) Nicole

How is she made to look good in this situation (the same episode as the scene I was discussing before). After Aden tried it on with her, she certainly didn't help the situation and she knew that he was upset about his dad and wasn't giving him any of the support he needed. Then after Belle and Aden got together she was acting like a jealous idiot.

This being said, lately I have grown to really like Nicole, I think she is hilarious, I like the sibling relationship that has developed between her and Aden and that she is now being supportive of Belle and Aden relationship.

7) Belle

In the last few weeks of HnA a few traumatic things happen to Belle and if you feel no sympathy for her you must be made of stone. Viewers are showed a complete U'y between Aden and Belle, we watch them change roles and Belle becomes the person that needs the support, care and understanding. Aden does become that person and he is really sweet with Belle, he encourages her to deal with the post-traumatic stress and see the counselor and discuss it. He also tells her that they will deal with it together which I think was the perfect thing for him to say at that moment. Viewers also get two episodes in the last week on Home and Away where it is just Belle, so yes we do get to see the characters act as individuals.

8) Popularity

Do you think there maybe the latest results on different sites show that they are popular and liked:

-Todd Lasance won Hottest TV Male of 2008 in TV Week , Jess Tovey won 2nd Hottest TV Female of 2008 and Adelle won Hottest TV Couple of 2008, (these were chosen by being voted by people they weren't chosen by the magazine).

-Also over at HAAC Todd and Jess have taken out best actor and actress' awards for the year and best couple.

So maybe they are quite a popular couple and to the thousands of people (in the TV Week poll) who voted for them and that they were able to realize just how great of a couple they are and that they do have chemistry.

As I said before I love Adelle, I think that in HnA land they are 'meant to be', they have heaps of chemistry and they just fit as a couple. They both also share a deep trust in the other person which I think is healthy with both of their family situations. I do believe they have both made some stupid choices but that is one of the things that is good about their relationship, it is real and believable as who doesn't make mistakes. I've enjoyed watching the journey that they have undergone just to be together.

I can't wait to see what the 09' season brings for Adelle, I hoping for little drama

(although I know there is some coming up)

, lots of fluff and maybe a wedding or an Adelle baby/ babies. Overall I hope there is happy times ahead for the couple!

......end of long rant.

Edited December 19, 2008 by chelsjo

[Zetti]

Well done! You summed up my entire thoughts and very effectively might I add.

[Slade]

I'm tempted to opt out of this conversation because it is going round and round in circles and making me behave in a way I don't like and say things I don't really mean to score cheap points.I apologise to anyone who's been annoyed or upset by my posts.

Oddly, given that they seem incapable of being friends, I can actually see them going that way a lot more easily than I can see them getting married and living happily ever after.I can see them with other people but still fond of each other and aware that their time together was special to both of them. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens.

I actually don’t think you needed to apologise as you didn’t attack anyone, you didn’t make any generalisations and I don’t think you attacked anybody’s opinion. The previous post was overly aggressive, a bit personal and unnecessary if you ask me. It was quite reminiscent of the disagreement with one of the librarians earlier on in the week. Let’s not forget these are FICTIONAL characters and everyone should feel free to be able to express a like and dislike for them without anyone getting personal about it.

Anyway I would really like to see them just start off being friends but I’m inclined to agree simply because there’s too much baggage there. I remember when Belle first said to Aden that she wanted to keep it quite (I’m not sure if it was actually a break up after that) but it just seemed very awkward. When he came in to pick up his pay she had to initiate the conversation and it seemed almost forced. There was also the way he was with her when she did his assignment. So I feel that every time they have been around each other and they have not together there is an air of uneasiness. It’s a shame as well because I feel a platonic relationship would do both of them the world of good and I would really like too see them act it out on screen.

Just going back to my remark about the characters losing their individuality one of the concerning things about Belle is that since Maddie left she doesn’t really have any girlfriends as such. When she first came to the show I don’t really think she saw eye to eye with Matilda or Cassie and eventually they became friends. I wouldn’t mind seeing her have another girlfriend where she can share her problems and have heart to hearts with. Some of the other girls in the show, Annie, Ruby, Melody etc are all too young. And the other’s – Charlie, Leah, Kirsty, Rachel, Martha etc are either too old or have their own problems to deal with at the moment. Also she worked for the local paper last year as a photographer and since she is so keen to expose the council and has been working in the diner for a while now perhaps she could start to consider what she wants to do for a career and start thinking about jobs with other newspapers.

In regards to Aden I don’t think I would like seem him with anymore male friends as some of his mates in the past have been trouble. It would be interesting to see if he and Geoff ever become friends because although I don’t like Geoff, I feel he would be a far better influence than some of his previous acquaintances. But judging by the remark Aden made to Nat – “He’s not my type”, I don’t think so. So I guess the only other things would be concentrating on his new family (i.e. Roman and Nicole) and getting his HSC out the way and considering what his options are from there.