Rachel/Tony

[emmasi]

I don't like the way Tony allows himself to be kept in the dark and the way he lets Rachel do whatever she wants. This toxic waste stuff is a classic example. His daughter in law has cancer and Rachel pretty much knows why, but she let Tony find out through the grape vine. I can understand her not telling Martha and Jack, but Tony is her fiance. She's supposed to be able to talk to him about anything - and she didn't mind breaking doctor/patient confidentiality to discuss Joe with him when it suited her - but it's like she doesn't trust him to keep it quiet.

I don't know, maybe she was trying to protect him, or she just assumed that he'd tell Jack and then Jack would tell Martha and it would all spin out of control. That's fine. But why is Tony so understanding of it? He gets this news - very important and devastating news which affects him very personally - and then let's Rachel run out as if her keeping it from him means nothing. It should mean something, but it's like he's so scared of losing her that he won't stand up for himself at all. And Rachel doesn't seem to care that it affects him either, she's just worried about how she will look if people find out from Colleen instead of her

I wish Beth and Kate hadn't died on Tony. It's left him so timid and paranoid. I think we should change his nickname from HotDad to HotDoormat.

[TachelHolden]

HotDad nickname stays i think she was just trying to protect him and thats why she kept it from him and tony is problably understanding because he knows she was doing what was for the best

[Cerise]

I don't really like these two together... I like mature, adult, serious relationships, of course.... but sometimes I find them very boring, but that's probably because I just didn't like their storylines. Plus I just... hate Rachel. Okay, I strongly dislike her, but Tony is okay, I just don't think they mesh very well I kind if like the way Tony cheated on Rachel... yeah, sounds odd, but it's a very non-Tony thing to do, and I liked that. Plus he had stubble. So much stubble.

[charmed60]

Emmasi - I agree with you in the sense of Tony being too timid. It's definetely like him to be a bit more agressive, I know they're trying to show the audience that he's this loving, gentle, caring guy but they're generalizing a bit. I think the reason Rachel didn't say anything is because then he would have felt obliged to tell Jack - he is his son. Jack would have been devestated I reckon if he found out Tony knew about the possible cancer cluster and didn't say anything - so in this circumstance I think Rachel was just trying to protect him.

Plus, showing Tony having a reaction would involve Tony actually having a storyline and those are few and far between poor guy! Mind you, he's had more scenes since getting together with Rachel hasn't he?

[-Karen-]

I think that most people are aware that I am a Tachel fan and I have been before they even got together. Like a lot of people have said in the past, the show needs a strong, mature couple and they are pretty much it at the moment. They are good for each other and they do seem to work. I think their relationship started off being written really well but then the powers that be didn't allow us to get 'involved' in the relationship which caused a lot of people to not 'believe' in it. The engagement was probably slightly rushed and they were getting one episode storylines which didn't help but they have come back a bit more strongly with the episodes since the vasectomy reversal. Also, I think the episodes after the OC showed how much Rachel loved Tony. We knew how much Tony loved her but I think that showed how strong their relationship was even if we hadn't seen much evidence of it. (I will just gloss over the Bridget 'blip' )

As for Tony being timid... I can see your point.. there have been times when it would have been nice if he asserted himself a bit more but I feel that maybe he isn't being given the best 'deal' by the writers at the moment.... or the editors! It does seem that there have been some scenes edited out recently that have made us miss out on some crucial scenes. I could be wrong but in the episode after Joe died, where Tony and Rachel didn't have a scene until the end, it did seem that there was something missing. I think we missed a scene where they went home and had an argument/disagreement after seeing Dane as Tony's conversation in the bar with Alf didn't make a lot of sense.

Going back to Tony being timid.... I think that there were a couple of occasions when he was with Beth that he just went along with her instead of making a stance so I don't think it is anything new. A couple of times Beth asked him to support her when he wasn't really sure what she was doing was right but he still supported her. In Martha's words..... "He's a good man..... a caring, loving guy"

But yeah AngryHotDad is good too!!

[KirstyEkua]

I do agree that Tony comes across as being a bit of a wimp sometimes, and its starting to bug me a little. I think he always tries too hard to do the right thing by people, especially Rachel, which can sometimes come across as being a bit pathetic. As for her not telling him about the cancer scare, i think that was purely becasue she didn't want to worry him. She did say she she'd talk to him later. A lot of their 'talks' happen off screne which is a shame becasue it would add a lot more depth to them both.

I think the reason she ran away from the gym so fast was to stop Colleen telling Martha, who is a good friend of hers. I have noticed a few missing scenes too. One UK spoiler page describes a scene between them just after he came back, where she tells him she wants to go and see Aden as she's beginning to understand why he did what he did. He tell's her he's not happy about that and can't understand why she'd be so willing to forgive him so quickly. But we never saw that and that's a real shame it ended up on the editing room floor.

I think a problem is that Rachel is protrayed as this really strong, powerful, highly opinionated woman - which is great but sometimes i think the writers need to show her vunrable side a little more and let Tony be the strong one, and be there looking after her. Hopefully now she's pregnant that will change.

But i do think they love each other very much and i hope their relationship lasts, and continues to grow. I agree Karen, the episoded after the OC showed how crazy she is about him...i also think this came across when she told him she didn't want him to have the vascetomy reversal after finding out some pateint had had a bad reaction to it. The wedding/Bridget is really the first big truama they've had to deal with. Although i think it's insane they expect us to believe he ran off and slept with somone else in the space of a few days, so much so that she came looking for him after he left! but thats soapland, lol.

But it's obvious how much Tony loves and cares about her. They're a great couple to have on the show, and needed i think, as everyone else just seems to go from one person to the next. I just hope this baby storyline will show a more 'manly' side to Tony, and show a change in Rachel.....

[charmed60]

This thread cannot be on the second page Hehe.

I wonder if the dynamics of Tony and Rachel's relationship will change now she's pregnant? She may become more vunerable and less 'strong' relying on Tony a bit more and we may get to see Tony being a bit more strong. I am so excited for tomorrow's episode - the ultrasound and the gym scene, it's probably the last proper Tachel episode were going to get for a while so we better enjoy it!

I was sooo happy the writers had Tony telling Rachel that he wants this baby just as much as she does BEFORE she told him she was pregnant, thought that was really sweet!

[crazylazy]

iv finally decided to get in here and write something, as ive been reading for a while - i love rachel and tony they are so cute together. i really hope that 'peanut' is gonna be ok and that is not the start of borin 'tachel' stories

[Zetti]

Rachel is a character that I think was developed quite well before she got with Tony and after all the Kim drama she was subjected to. Rachel was better alone than with someone. She was angry when she found out Tony slept with Bridget and she has every right to. Then she automatically took control of Joe when she had no right to do that and the bond she talked about? How? I mean I know she was his temporary carer when he was born but she hadnt seen him in two years so I cant see how the bond is still there to be completely honest with you. Tony just lets her do what she wants and that isnt always a good thing. Tony should have put his foot down and said no. If Rachel then had thrown in his face all his past errors then she is in the wrong as that is all over and done with. So to sum up I am not the biggest fan of Tachel but if they can stay together without Rachel overpowering the situation then I can learn to accept them but right now I cant.

[KirstyEkua]

She was going to adopt Joe, only for him to be taken from her at the last second. Then he comes back into her life, his mother has left him, he's suffering from cancer and his step dad doesn't do anything to help the situation. Of course she was going to try and do what's best for him. I don't think you ever lose the bond you have with a child, especially one you were going to adopt and fell in love with. I've cared for kids in Africa who i still think about all the time and love them as much as i would my own children. So it doesn't just go away. It's very hard to not get involved emotionally, and even though what she did with Joe wasn't the best thing, she just didn't want to see him suffer.

Yes she was wrong not to talk to Tony about it but sometimes she thinks with her heart and not her head and she did eventually see sense. To be honest i think she's been really understanding of Tony and some of the silly things he's done. Like what woman would be happy having her boyfriends ex living with him, when it's obvious she still really likes him. And i think he got off lightly on the whole 'Bridget' thing. Rach is not perfect. I think she is too strong for her own good and needs to stop trying to take charge of everything. But there's nothing wrong with being a strong, feisty woman, thats one of the reasons i love her so much.

But i love her and Tony together. They make a really great couple, and it's obvious they love each other very much. I hope now she's pregnant we'll see a new side to her, and Tony taking the lead for once.