Homeandawayfan. Posted July 22, 2016 Report Share Posted July 22, 2016 3 hours ago, Red Ranger 1 said: I thought they were last year but now it's obvious that they don't have a clue what the show should be or what the long-term audience wants. In what way would you say they are ruining the show again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ranger 1 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 On 22/07/2016 at 0:14 PM, Homeandawayfan. said: In what way would you say they are ruining the show again? Every single departure this year has been appalling. The show only seems to exist to character assassinate people while glorifying characters who are utterly abhorrent. The show's habit of letting characters get away with serious crimes and thinking the audience want that has plummeted to new depths.When the most upbeat exit this year is Maddy going off to rehab after losing an arm, I'm not sure why we should bother investing in characters when the show is completely incapable of telling their story is a satisfying manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homeandawayfan. Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 27 minutes ago, Red Ranger 1 said: Every single departure this year has been appalling. The show only seems to exist to character assassinate people while glorifying characters who are utterly abhorrent. The show's habit of letting characters get away with serious crimes and thinking the audience want that has plummeted to new depths.When the most upbeat exit this year is Maddy going off to rehab after losing an arm, I'm not sure why we should bother investing in characters when the show is completely incapable of telling their story is a satisfying manner. Andy Barrett has plenty of blood on his hands yet he walks around like nothing has happened. He must be the secret son of Paul Robinson from Neighbours, whose many crimes have gone unpunished. Barrett killed Jake Pirovic. Also others do drugs and never get caught for it. And yes, serious crimes is the Braxtons all over, and they walk around unpunished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaxland 89 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 35 minutes ago, Red Ranger 1 said: Every single departure this year has been appalling. The show only seems to exist to character assassinate people while glorifying characters who are utterly abhorrent. The show's habit of letting characters get away with serious crimes and thinking the audience want that has plummeted to new depths.When the most upbeat exit this year is Maddy going off to rehab after losing an arm, I'm not sure why we should bother investing in characters when the show is completely incapable of telling their story is a satisfying manner. So well put Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaxland 89 Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 It's funny that when you look back you realise how bad it has got. I remember complaining about 2010 being bad but recently watched an episode and it looks superb next to a 2016 episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodlebirger Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 I don't think the departures this year will beat the bad departures in 2010. Never.... because those were so bad as they could be, they tried really hard to destroy a lot of character development and good characters just to make the remaining look good. And they messed with sensitive topics. I think people is looking at the past with rose tinted glasses... or some got tired of all terrible writing, from 2010 and onwards and this year's departures are the final straw. Spoiler Andy and Josh on the run... Well, being on the run isn't exactly a happy ending. Kirsty and Kane are a good example of that. ;-) But it just sound like a really lazy ending to me, it's like the writers couldn't come up with something better and then chose this. And in comparison; Martha and Hugo ran away from the police in 2010.... Martha - Alf's granddaughter ran away with a people smuggler who had killed tonnes of lives. Martha was actually innocent - but she "loved" him. How on earth can Andy and Josh running away being a worse character ending than that?? And Oscar dying in an explosion - well, completely unnecessary, but not completely terrible either. At least they killed him off before they did further damage to his character.... I haven't seen it all, but just read about them enough to understand what was going on, and I know I will just feel that the storylines are rubbish, but not as bad as in 2010. But to me, I want to watch the explosion when it finally airs here. It doesn't sound all that bad, and probably provide some good scenes from Evie, Roo and others. I know that I will be annoyed how everything will be over too quickly (including Evie's grief for Oscar), but still doesn't sound that bad. And I know there are some coming storylines after that, which will make me still want to watch this show even if I have problems with characters like Ash, Phoebe, Hunter and a few more. In my opinion 2016, the first month has been rubbish, but not more rubbish than some storylines in 2011-13, and most of 2014 and 2015. But they need to be more loyal to the fans when they write the characters, and I mean all the characters. Because not only a few are popular. Also those non-hunks have several fans, and the older ones... and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacklost Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 1 hour ago, jodlebirger said: I don't think the departures this year will beat the bad departures in 2010. Never.... because those were so bad as they could be, they tried really hard to destroy a lot of character development and good characters just to make the remaining look good. And they messed with sensitive topics. I think people is looking at the past with rose tinted glasses... or some got tired of all terrible writing, from 2010 and onwards and this year's departures are the final straw. Spoiler Andy and Josh on the run... Well, being on the run isn't exactly a happy ending. Kirsty and Kane are a good example of that. ;-) But it just sound like a really lazy ending to me, it's like the writers couldn't come up with something better and then chose this. And in comparison; Martha and Hugo ran away from the police in 2010.... Martha - Alf's granddaughter ran away with a people smuggler who had killed tonnes of lives. Martha was actually innocent - but she "loved" him. How on earth can Andy and Josh running away being a worse character ending than that?? And Oscar dying in an explosion - well, completely unnecessary, but not completely terrible either. At least they killed him off before they did further damage to his character.... I haven't seen it all, but just read about them enough to understand what was going on, and I know I will just feel that the storylines are rubbish, but not as bad as in 2010. But to me, I want to watch the explosion when it finally airs here. It doesn't sound all that bad, and probably provide some good scenes from Evie, Roo and others. I know that I will be annoyed how everything will be over too quickly (including Evie's grief for Oscar), but still doesn't sound that bad. And I know there are some coming storylines after that, which will make me still want to watch this show even if I have problems with characters like Ash, Phoebe, Hunter and a few more. In my opinion 2016, the first month has been rubbish, but not more rubbish than some storylines in 2011-13, and most of 2014 and 2015. But they need to be more loyal to the fans when they write the characters, and I mean all the characters. Because not only a few are popular. Also those non-hunks have several fans, and the older ones... and so on. But they weren't killed at least. I agree tho that 2010 was a boring year for the show. Luckily it changed for the better in 2011 and the next few years What damage did they do to Oscar? I thought his character was pretty good til the end The first months til the explosion are good so you still got some decent episodes to watch before it, yeah you know /: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homeandawayfan. Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 It seems you can go around shooting people to death and then can be walking around scot free. 20 years ago if Jack Wilson stole just a bottle of water from Alf's shop he would soon fess up and take his punishment. Maybe a caution and given some community service. Spoiler Now Josh Barrett can kill someone and goes unpunished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 58 minutes ago, Homeandawayfan. said: It seems you can go around shooting people to death and then can be walking around scot free. 20 years ago if Jack Wilson stole just a bottle of water from Alf's shop he would soon fess up and take his punishment. I totally agree, and that's largely what's wrong with the show. In the early days any wrong-doing was relatively minor. Stealing a car was about as daring as it ever got, and those responsible were almost always punished. Nowadays the crimes are much more serious - armed robbery, murder, explosives etc, and the perpetrator more often than not gets away with it. This nonsense about Kat knowing that Josh killed Charlotte. In the old days he'd have been locked up quicker than Alf would lose his temper if his beer was warm. It doesn't send out a great example to the audience. Once upon a time TV series were more careful with the messages they were giving out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodlebirger Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 1 hour ago, Gerard said: I totally agree, and that's largely what's wrong with the show. In the early days any wrong-doing was relatively minor. Stealing a car was about as daring as it ever got, and those responsible were almost always punished. Nowadays the crimes are much more serious - armed robbery, murder, explosives etc, and the perpetrator more often than not gets away with it. This nonsense about Kat knowing that Josh killed Charlotte. In the old days he'd have been locked up quicker than Alf would lose his temper if his beer was warm. It doesn't send out a great example to the audience. Once upon a time TV series were more careful with the messages they were giving out. Yes, but the situation was badly handled from Denny's murder. It was swept under the carpet. It feels like people think that killing off Charlotte was far worse than killing off Denny and that criminal. Denny's only crime was being a dull character. Kat didn't arrest Charlotte straight away either, and that is the reason why everything got out of hand. I think they should stop doing these murder cases. Leave that to crime series. At least they are doing it in a proper way. They should focus more on relations, family problems and small offences to create the drama. H&A has been a mess when it comes to "giving right messages" from 2004, with the small exception from at least trying to do the right thing in a short period in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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