Are the current producers ruining Home and Away?

[Jacklost]

1 hour ago, jodlebirger said:

I don't think the departures this year will beat the bad departures in 2010. Never.... because those were so bad as they could be, they tried really hard to destroy a lot of character development and good characters just to make the remaining look good. And they messed with sensitive topics. I think people is looking at the past with rose tinted glasses... or some got tired of all terrible writing, from 2010 and onwards and this year's departures are the final straw. 

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Andy and Josh on the run... Well, being on the run isn't exactly a happy ending. Kirsty and Kane are a good example of that. ;-) But it just sound like a really lazy ending to me, it's like the writers couldn't come up with something better and then chose this. And in comparison; Martha and Hugo ran away from the police in 2010.... Martha - Alf's granddaughter ran away with a people smuggler who had killed tonnes of lives. Martha was actually innocent - but she "loved" him. How on earth can Andy and Josh running away being a worse character ending than that?? 

And Oscar dying in an explosion - well, completely unnecessary, but not completely terrible either. At least they killed him off before they did further damage to his character.... 

I haven't seen it all, but just read about them enough to understand what was going on, and I know I will just feel that the storylines are rubbish, but not as bad as in 2010.

But to me, I want to watch the explosion when it finally airs here. It doesn't sound all that bad, and probably provide some good scenes from Evie, Roo and others. I know that I will be annoyed how everything will be over too quickly (including Evie's grief for Oscar), but still doesn't sound that bad. And I know there are some coming storylines after that, which will make me still want to watch this show even if I have problems with characters like Ash, Phoebe, Hunter and a few more. 

In my opinion 2016, the first month has been rubbish, but not more rubbish than some storylines in 2011-13, and most of 2014 and 2015. But they need to be more loyal to the fans when they write the characters, and I mean all the characters. Because not only a few are popular. Also those non-hunks have several fans, and the older ones... and so on. 

But they weren't killed at least. I agree tho that 2010 was a boring year for the show. Luckily it changed for the better in 2011 and the next few years

What damage did they do to Oscar? I thought his character was pretty good til the end

The first months til the explosion are good so you still got some decent episodes to watch before it, yeah you know /:

[Homeandawayfan.]

It seems you can go around shooting people to death and then can be walking around scot free. 20 years ago if Jack Wilson stole just a bottle of water from Alf's shop he would soon fess up and take his punishment. Maybe a caution and given some community service.

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Now Josh Barrett can kill someone and goes unpunished.

 

[Gerard]

58 minutes ago, Homeandawayfan. said:

It seems you can go around shooting people to death and then can be walking around scot free. 20 years ago if Jack Wilson stole just a bottle of water from Alf's shop he would soon fess up and take his punishment.

I totally agree, and that's largely what's wrong with the show. In the early days any wrong-doing was relatively minor. Stealing a car was about as daring as it ever got, and those responsible were almost always punished.

Nowadays the crimes are much more serious - armed robbery, murder, explosives etc, and the perpetrator more often than not gets away with it. This nonsense about Kat knowing that Josh killed Charlotte. In the old days he'd have been locked up quicker than Alf would lose his temper if his beer was warm. It doesn't send out a great example to the audience. Once upon a time TV series were more careful with the messages they were giving out.

[jodlebirger]

1 hour ago, Gerard said:

I totally agree, and that's largely what's wrong with the show. In the early days any wrong-doing was relatively minor. Stealing a car was about as daring as it ever got, and those responsible were almost always punished.

Nowadays the crimes are much more serious - armed robbery, murder, explosives etc, and the perpetrator more often than not gets away with it. This nonsense about Kat knowing that Josh killed Charlotte. In the old days he'd have been locked up quicker than Alf would lose his temper if his beer was warm. It doesn't send out a great example to the audience. Once upon a time TV series were more careful with the messages they were giving out.

Yes, but the situation was badly handled from Denny's murder. It was swept under the carpet. It feels like people think that killing off Charlotte was far worse than killing off Denny and that criminal. Denny's only crime was being a dull character. Kat didn't arrest Charlotte straight away either, and that is the reason why everything got out of hand. 

I think they should stop doing these murder cases. Leave that to crime series. At least they are doing it in a proper way. They should focus more on relations, family problems and small offences to create the drama. 

H&A has been a mess when it comes to "giving right messages" from 2004, with the small exception from at least trying to do the right thing in a short period in 2008. 

[Trudy Heine]

If only Charlotte confessed right away.

[Red Ranger 1]

9 hours ago, jodlebirger said:

Yes, but the situation was badly handled from Denny's murder. It was swept under the carpet. It feels like people think that killing off Charlotte was far worse than killing off Denny and that criminal. Denny's only crime was being a dull character. Kat didn't arrest Charlotte straight away either, and that is the reason why everything got out of hand. 

Denny's murder was not swept under the carpet, it's just that no-one knew it had happened.I really don't like this suggestion that Charlotte killing Denny and Trystan was wrong but Andy killing Jake and Josh killing Charlotte are A-OK.It just seems to be favouritism, that because someone gets a load of cute and tender scenes with their family (because...Charlotte didn't love her family?) they've somehow got a license to kill and get away with it.Josh killed Charlotte by accident while trying to stop her exposing his brother's crimes, Charlotte killed Denny by accident while trying to stop her exposing her son's crime.Andy killed Jake after he kidnapped and threatened his brother, Charlotte killed Trystan after he kidnapped and threatened his son.Yet the show acts as though Charlotte was irredeemable and deserved to die rather than being given a fair trial, while Josh and Andy should be just let go because they're lovely.Kat arrested Charlotte straight away, with no evidence, and was told to let her go because you need evidence to arrest someone. Once she had that evidence, she went out and tried to arrest her again but Josh got to her first.She had evidence against Josh, she had a full confession, but she lets him go because the world revolves against Evie? Utterly pathetic and an appalling message to send out.

[Jacklost]

2 hours ago, Red Ranger 1 said:

Denny's murder was not swept under the carpet, it's just that no-one knew it had happened.I really don't like this suggestion that Charlotte killing Denny and Trystan was wrong but Andy killing Jake and Josh killing Charlotte are A-OK.It just seems to be favouritism, that because someone gets a load of cute and tender scenes with their family (because...Charlotte didn't love her family?) they've somehow got a license to kill and get away with it.Josh killed Charlotte by accident while trying to stop her exposing his brother's crimes, Charlotte killed Denny by accident while trying to stop her exposing her son's crime.Andy killed Jake after he kidnapped and threatened his brother, Charlotte killed Trystan after he kidnapped and threatened his son.Yet the show acts as though Charlotte was irredeemable and deserved to die rather than being given a fair trial, while Josh and Andy should be just let go because they're lovely.Kat arrested Charlotte straight away, with no evidence, and was told to let her go because you need evidence to arrest someone. Once she had that evidence, she went out and tried to arrest her again but Josh got to her first.She had evidence against Josh, she had a full confession, but she lets him go because the world revolves against Evie? Utterly pathetic and an appalling message to send out.

But Charlotte and Jake was evil while Denny was innocent. Big difference

[Blaxland 89]

I wish the dialogue or the conversation between characters would be less boring. I don't mean to be rude about the writers for the current show, I'm sure they know more about writing than me. But it so dull to listen. Maybe because the style of it is so storyline lead leaving little space for any character voice to come through but it's also the language used. It used to be far more colourful and varied between each character. I really find it hard to watch now without my mind wondering. I just want the writing to be more engaging. 

[Wanderer101]

3 hours ago, Red Ranger 1 said:

Denny's murder was not swept under the carpet, it's just that no-one knew it had happened.I really don't like this suggestion that Charlotte killing Denny and Trystan was wrong but Andy killing Jake and Josh killing Charlotte are A-OK.It just seems to be favouritism, that because someone gets a load of cute and tender scenes with their family (because...Charlotte didn't love her family?) they've somehow got a license to kill and get away with it.Josh killed Charlotte by accident while trying to stop her exposing his brother's crimes, Charlotte killed Denny by accident while trying to stop her exposing her son's crime.Andy killed Jake after he kidnapped and threatened his brother, Charlotte killed Trystan after he kidnapped and threatened his son.Yet the show acts as though Charlotte was irredeemable and deserved to die rather than being given a fair trial, while Josh and Andy should be just let go because they're lovely.Kat arrested Charlotte straight away, with no evidence, and was told to let her go because you need evidence to arrest someone. Once she had that evidence, she went out and tried to arrest her again but Josh got to her first.She had evidence against Josh, she had a full confession, but she lets him go because the world revolves against Evie? Utterly pathetic and an appalling message to send out.

I don't recall the reason people here are ok with Josh and Andy doing bad things is because they like eachother? And I think the difference with me is I don't necessarily care if a cold blooded murderer is killed. I don't condone it or condemn it, I'm just indifferent.

[CaptainHulk]

I will say in all honesty Jake had it coming (but Andy should swing for it too, totally).