Red Ranger 1 Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 7 hours ago, Jacklost said: Technically Roo killed Oscar and Hannah since she bought the tanks knowing they weren't safe Charlotte buried Denny's body and pretended to be her for 3 months and threatening people while Andy killed a very evil thug murderer. Andy didn't kill them, the one responsible for using unsafe tanks did wether we wanna admit it or not. At least Andy confessed pretty quick and he was willing to serve time for it, the only reason he escaped was because of Josh Andy killed Oscar and Hannah. The whole point is Roo didn't know the tanks weren't the right ones. If she'd exchanged them for the correct ones, or if she'd secured them like Andy apologists insist she should have done, they'd probably still have exploded when Andy beat someone up next to them and damaged them. Josh walked away leaving Charlotte's body in the sea, probably hoping she'd never be discovered. Jake never killed anyone innocent, he killed a bent cop and a convicted arsonist and armed robber who'd both killed someone themselves. Yet he's an evil thug murderer and Andy isn't? Andy was happy to let Tank take the blame until Greg guilt-tripped him. And there we have it: The fact that he was trying to protect Josh used to somehow glorify two killers escaping justice while their victims remain dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee123 Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 41 minutes ago, Red Ranger 1 said: Andy killed Oscar and Hannah. The whole point is Roo didn't know the tanks weren't the right ones. If she'd exchanged them for the correct ones, or if she'd secured them like Andy apologists insist she should have done, they'd probably still have exploded when Andy beat someone up next to them and damaged them. Josh walked away leaving Charlotte's body in the sea, probably hoping she'd never be discovered. Jake never killed anyone innocent, he killed a bent cop and a convicted arsonist and armed robber who'd both killed someone themselves. Yet he's an evil thug murderer and Andy isn't? Andy was happy to let Tank take the blame until Greg guilt-tripped him. Reveal hidden contents And there we have it: The fact that he was trying to protect Josh used to somehow glorify two killers escaping justice while their victims remain dead. Perfectly said. I really don't know how people can seen it any other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacklost Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 6 hours ago, Red Ranger 1 said: Andy killed Oscar and Hannah. The whole point is Roo didn't know the tanks weren't the right ones. If she'd exchanged them for the correct ones, or if she'd secured them like Andy apologists insist she should have done, they'd probably still have exploded when Andy beat someone up next to them and damaged them. Josh walked away leaving Charlotte's body in the sea, probably hoping she'd never be discovered. Jake never killed anyone innocent, he killed a bent cop and a convicted arsonist and armed robber who'd both killed someone themselves. Yet he's an evil thug murderer and Andy isn't? Andy was happy to let Tank take the blame until Greg guilt-tripped him. Reveal hidden contents And there we have it: The fact that he was trying to protect Josh used to somehow glorify two killers escaping justice while their victims remain dead. Jake never killed someone innocent? He killed Casey? And Casey was not a murderer, if you have watched the show for the last 5/6 years you would know that he's the one Braxton who always wanted to do the right thing. He was never like Brax or Heath and Casey shooting Danny was a completely different matter! First off, Danny was a very evil and mean man and he practically forced Casey to shoot him. He never wanted to kill someone and he struggled with it for many weeks after, Jake didn't wanna kill Casey specific but he wanted to kill a Braxton so he's a cold blooded murderer... And yes what if Josh did that? Charlotte was evil, and as I explained in my other comments. After all the things she did killing her even if it was by an accident was still a good thing. It's always a good thing when a evil and cruel person disappears from the world And how can you compare Andy to Jake? Andy loved Hannah! And cared so much about Oscar. He would rather take his own life then to let them die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janet.D Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 I don't think the show is ruined, people do leave to do other things, I didn't like the character Brax, he was no good for Ricky, so I'm glad he went, I wish though that they had given Ricky a better story, and not with the character Nate, he was always in the shadow of Brax, which isn't good, I do hope though that they give Nate a better story line in the future, because I can't see his marriage with Ricky working, that's what we have in the UK where I live. We have some new characters coming in, the new doctor, and her brothers, who seem to me to be to much like the River boys, but time will tell on that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ranger 1 Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Jacklost said: Jake never killed someone innocent? He killed Casey? And Casey was not a murderer, if you have watched the show for the last 5/6 years you would know that he's the one Braxton who always wanted to do the right thing. He was never like Brax or Heath and Casey shooting Danny was a completely different matter! First off, Danny was a very evil and mean man and he practically forced Casey to shoot him. He never wanted to kill someone and he struggled with it for many weeks after, Jake didn't wanna kill Casey specific but he wanted to kill a Braxton so he's a cold blooded murderer... And yes what if Josh did that? Charlotte was evil, and as I explained in my other comments. After all the things she did killing her even if it was by an accident was still a good thing. It's always a good thing when a evil and cruel person disappears from the world And how can you compare Andy to Jake? Andy loved Hannah! And cared so much about Oscar. He would rather take his own life then to let them die Casey might have had good intentions but he still did the wrong thing on occasion. He'd still spent time in prison, he left a boy disfigured for life and covered it up. Saying that the people Jake and Charlotte killed mattered and that the people Andy and Josh didn't is the first step to becoming a fascist state.If Andy had turned himself in to the police for Jake's murder two years ago, if Josh hadn't given him an alibi, if Jake had hit him instead of Casey... then in all likelihood Hannah and Oscar would still be alive. Instead, Andy put their lives in danger by starting a fight in a dangerous place right near where they were. He spends a few weeks feeling guilty about it then pretty much shrugs his shoulders and gets on with his life and gets away with killing them, making it seem noble because he's...helping Josh get away with killing someone. Putting the Barretts in jail, so two dangerous and violent people disappear from the world, would be a good thing, not leaving them free to cause more death and misery in the name of protecting each other. And yes, I take the point about Kane and Kirsty but that was then and this is now. The current show has Brax go on the run and get everything he wants as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacklost Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 12 minutes ago, Red Ranger 1 said: Casey might have had good intentions but he still did the wrong thing on occasion. He'd still spent time in prison, he left a boy disfigured for life and covered it up. Saying that the people Jake and Charlotte killed mattered and that the people Andy and Josh didn't is the first step to becoming a fascist state.If Andy had turned himself in to the police for Jake's murder two years ago, if Josh hadn't given him an alibi, if Jake had hit him instead of Casey... then in all likelihood Hannah and Oscar would still be alive. Instead, Andy put their lives in danger by starting a fight in a dangerous place right near where they were. He spends a few weeks feeling guilty about it then pretty much shrugs his shoulders and gets on with his life Reveal hidden contents and gets away with killing them, making it seem noble because he's...helping Josh get away with killing someone. Putting the Barretts in jail, so two dangerous and violent people disappear from the world, would be a good thing, not leaving them free to cause more death and misery in the name of protecting each other. And yes, I take the point about Kane and Kirsty but that was then and this is now. Reveal hidden contents The current show has Brax go on the run and get everything he wants as a result. Well at least Casey served jail time and community service for his wrong doings but he was still a kind person and he would never hurt someone on purpose. In my onion he is one of the most dramatic death in any show. Barely beaten by Jack Holden He left who disfigured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan F Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 Guys, seriously, enough with the untagged UK spoilers - I've lost count of the amount of reports I've had recently. Anything that alludes to or gives away Spoiler Josh and Andy's departure is a UK spoiler. This is where the UK is currently at in regards to storylines - look at that page before discussing anything that has happened in the last couple of months Aus pace. Most people are able to keep this thread at UK pace, so it's getting to the point now where we may have to consider warnings for those who don't take the time to double check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 21 minutes ago, Jacklost said: Well at least Casey served jail time and community service for his wrong doings but he was still a kind person and he would never hurt someone on purpose. In my onion he is one of the most dramatic death in any show. Barely beaten by Jack Holden He left who disfigured? He killed his dad on purpose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacklost Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 10 hours ago, Matt said: He killed his dad on purpose... It was self defense, it was either Danny or the innocent person. He killed his dad to save that person because if Casey hadn't shoot Danny, Danny would have shot that innocent person. I'd say that makes him a hero and yet he still went to prison. Shows logic... But I feel we should stop now, at least I will so this doesn't turn into another Hate or Love Braxton thread. My opinions remains the same and I respect that you and the others have different opinions 10 hours ago, Dan F said: Guys, seriously, enough with the untagged UK spoilers - I've lost count of the amount of reports I've had recently. Anything that alludes to or gives away Reveal hidden contents Josh and Andy's departure is a UK spoiler. This is where the UK is currently at in regards to storylines - look at that page before discussing anything that has happened in the last couple of months Aus pace. Most people are able to keep this thread at UK pace, so it's getting to the point now where we may have to consider warnings for those who don't take the time to double check. Wouldn't it be better to move this to the Australian section, that way people don't have to think about not mentioning UK spoilers? Just a suggestion Sorry if I'm one of those who have forgotten to add spoiler tags, in that case I will try to remember Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan F Posted July 25, 2016 Report Share Posted July 25, 2016 14 minutes ago, Jacklost said: Wouldn't it be better to love this to the Australian section, that way people don't have to think about not mentioning UK spoilers? Just a suggestion Not really, the rule should be clear enough and UK people still want to join in discussions of this sort of thing. And before the idea of two separate threads are mentioned, that will only lead to duplicate discussions and some Aus paced viewers continuing to post their views across both threads anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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