Are the current producers ruining Home and Away?

[CaptainHulk]

I agree. I think Ruby should have been seen to cop for Dexter's accident.

[Red Ranger 1]

Brax brought Charlie into the picture. He brought her into his world so she fell in love with him without knowing what he was and she died because of it. Ruby messed up but she had her reasons and, unlike many of the current characters, she accepted the consequences of what she'd done.(Even if we don't know what they are.I like to think not much, given that characters who actually kill someone apparently don't have to deal with the consequences these days.)

[jodlebirger]

29 minutes ago, Red Ranger 1 said:

Brax brought Charlie into the picture. He brought her into his world so she fell in love with him without knowing what he was and she died because of it. Ruby messed up but she had her reasons and, unlike many of the current characters, she accepted the consequences of what she'd done.(Even if we don't know what they are.I like to think not much, given that characters who actually kill someone apparently don't have to deal with the consequences these days.)

Yes she accepted the consequences. And in a way that was good, but in an another way it wasn't enough for me, because the situation was more complex than Ruby suddenly cutting the brakes of that car.

Ruby was out of control several times before Charlie died, because of what happened to her; loosing mother, finding out that she was a result of a rape and her sister was her real mother, her sister/mother killing her real father, loosing her father/granddad... And the people around didn't support her. We were made to believe that it was ok to betray Ruby because she was "desperate for love" and was easy to hurt. And that is wrong. Leah, Brax, Romeo and Indi's actions led to Ruby falling apart, they pushed her over the edge. And the writers made them look innocent because they were so right for each other, and it was totally ok for Leah to fancy Brax and not care about Ruby's feelings after Charlie's death, because Brax was so sexy... The storyline about Charlie's death was more about Brax, a guy that she just had seen for a few months than her daughter/sister who had lost her whole family..We should at least have seen some remorse from the involved, but Ruby was just sent away like she was a ruthless criminal. 

The storyline about Stu and Sasha and the Walkers was also like that. Yes, Stu abused Sasha a few times and that is terribly wrong, but what Sid did to Stu was far worse.  And the writers wanted us to believe that they were the victims in all that stuff and Stu deserved to be beaten half to death and later die... but they weren't the victims. Stu was. There were a lot of witness that saw Stu slap Sasha (just slapped her...), and he could have easily gone to the police. And then Stu could have gone to jail instead and probably also get some help to get away from his much more abusive father. 

Such things have destroyed H&A over and over again for me, and that isn't something new.

And I feel that I am going to feel about the same about the explosion and Tank/Andy/caravan park/Roo when it finally airs here. 

[Jacklost]

26 minutes ago, Red Ranger 1 said:

Brax brought Charlie into the picture. He brought her into his world so she fell in love with him without knowing what he was and she died because of it. Ruby messed up but she had her reasons and, unlike many of the current characters, she accepted the consequences of what she'd done.(Even if we don't know what they are.I like to think not much, given that characters who actually kill someone apparently don't have to deal with the consequences these days.)

Still he can't be blamed for her death, no one can predict things like that happening

[Red Ranger 1]

The way Brax lived his life it was inevitable. Brax even knew that, saying that if they didn't get out of the criminal world they'd end up dead.And some of them did.

[cadyctslover]

1 hour ago, jodlebirger said:

Yes she accepted the consequences. And in a way that was good, but in an another way it wasn't enough for me, because the situation was more complex than Ruby suddenly cutting the brakes of that car.

Ruby was out of control several times before Charlie died, because of what happened to her; loosing mother, finding out that she was a result of a rape and her sister was her real mother, her sister/mother killing her real father, loosing her father/granddad... And the people around didn't support her. We were made to believe that it was ok to betray Ruby because she was "desperate for love" and was easy to hurt. And that is wrong. Leah, Brax, Romeo and Indi's actions led to Ruby falling apart, they pushed her over the edge. And the writers made them look innocent because they were so right for each other, and it was totally ok for Leah to fancy Brax and not care about Ruby's feelings after Charlie's death, because Brax was so sexy... The storyline about Charlie's death was more about Brax, a guy that she just had seen for a few months than her daughter/sister who had lost her whole family..We should at least have seen some remorse from the involved, but Ruby was just sent away like she was a ruthless criminal. 

The storyline about Stu and Sasha and the Walkers was also like that. Yes, Stu abused Sasha a few times and that is terribly wrong, but what Sid did to Stu was far worse.  And the writers wanted us to believe that they were the victims in all that stuff and Stu deserved to be beaten half to death and later die... but they weren't the victims. Stu was. There were a lot of witness that saw Stu slap Sasha (just slapped her...), and he could have easily gone to the police. And then Stu could have gone to jail instead and probably also get some help to get away from his much more abusive father. 

Such things have destroyed H&A over and over again for me, and that isn't something new.

And I feel that I am going to feel about the same about the explosion and Tank/Andy/caravan park/Roo when it finally airs here. 

I agree with everything you have written here. Unsurprisingly these shoddy storylines debuted during Louise Bowes' tenure as Script Producer. She set the show into a downward spiral of sloppy storylines, poor characterisation, and character assassination.

[Red Ranger 1]

I'm...not entirely in agreement about Stu.I take the point of there being a cycle of violence but Stu was responsible for his own actions.He put Sasha through hell for a long time, not just physical abuse but mental as well, threatening to hurt himself if she ended the relationship.I'm not saying he deserved to get beaten up or to die, but he brought his fate on himself just as much as Jake and Charlotte.As I recall, Sid was the only witness to his latest assault on Sasha (which mostly consisted of closed fist punches if memory serves me correct), otherwise he was very careful to do it in private and play the doting boyfriend in public.Stu would have gone to jail but he decided to attack Sasha again and it...didn't go well for him. And I realise that these days I'm slaughtering other characters for doing similar things to what Sasha did, but she was far more of a victim than the Barretts, who also brought their fate on themselves.All she did was fall in love with the wrong person.

The rest of it...hmm. I get that it's something that divides people down the middle but to me Andy is the person in the caravan park explosion who can least be termed a victim, he did the damage then left others to be hurt or killed. Ruby...well, despite her last scene somehow becoming all about Brax, she was dealt with reasonably sympathetically. Apart from April (who was a self-righteous cow about it but then she often was very irritating), I don't think anyone really condemned her actions and most of them did seem to show at least token remorse over how things ended up.

[Luke39]

8 hours ago, Jacklost said:

Still he can't be blamed for her death, no one can predict things like that happening

True, but Jake, it all was part of Brax's world. I am not saying Brax was soley responsible. But if Charlie was never part of Brax's world. Things like Jake coming into the picture was a manisfestation of his world. Therefore he loaded the gun. 

5 hours ago, Red Ranger 1 said:

I'm...not entirely in agreement about Stu.I take the point of there being a cycle of violence but Stu was responsible for his own actions.He put Sasha through hell for a long time, not just physical abuse but mental as well, threatening to hurt himself if she ended the relationship.I'm not saying he deserved to get beaten up or to die, but he brought his fate on himself just as much as Jake and Charlotte.As I recall, Sid was the only witness to his latest assault on Sasha (which mostly consisted of closed fist punches if memory serves me correct), otherwise he was very careful to do it in private and play the doting boyfriend in public.Stu would have gone to jail but he decided to attack Sasha again and it...didn't go well for him. And I realise that these days I'm slaughtering other characters for doing similar things to what Sasha did, but she was far more of a victim than the Barretts, who also brought their fate on themselves.All she did was fall in love with the wrong person.

The rest of it...hmm. I get that it's something that divides people down the middle but to me Andy is the person in the caravan park explosion who can least be termed a victim, he did the damage then left others to be hurt or killed. Ruby...well, despite her last scene somehow becoming all about Brax, she was dealt with reasonably sympathetically. Apart from April (who was a self-righteous cow about it but then she often was very irritating), I don't think anyone really condemned her actions and most of them did seem to show at least token remorse over how things ended up.

I think since 2010. Alot of the well meaning characters who do rash things, get slaughtered. But alot of the characters who are more prone to do bad stuff. Get Free Passes like Brax. I mean Casey put Sasha through the same kinda hell, slept with her, used her. But were susposed to feel sorry for him. Oscar, as much as I advocated Matt and Maddy. Was uneccessarily put through the mud. And came across as the bad guy, which I thought was cruel. They keep doing things when a storyline could just organically decay. Throwing in abuse, cheating e.t.c. Is just not neccessary. H and A has had this sense of danger for a long time.  

[jodlebirger]

There were a lot of witnesses to Stu slapping Sasha. And remember several others tried to stop Sid. Roo was one of them, and it led to her breaking up with Sid. 

I am always wondering why some here think that if you have a behaviour problem because of what happens in your childhood and youth, you are a criminal and is never going to change and don't deserve any support but to be put away to rot in a jail. Of course they need to be punished for their actions, a bad childhood is an explanation not an excuse. But they also need to get some help and understanding, so they can move on.  I feel the cases with Stu/Sasha and Tank/Evie had something in common. But Stu's case was even far worse, living in that house with an abusive father.  And he was younger (at least looked younger). 

Sasha fell in love with the wrong person, but she really did more than that... She didn't listen to her dad or other around her. And when things went badly, she didn't tell others about it. Yes, women who gets abused tend to be afraid of telling others about it. In a way it was understandable, she was young but on the other hand she did have a good family. It is not an excuse for what she did and didn't do. Young girls (and boys) need to learn how to take care of themselves.

But the real "criminal" in this was Sid. He was the adult one, he was a respected doctor - and could easily have gone to the police. Instead he decided it was better to beat that boy half to dead without thinking about the consequences for the boy or for his own family.  And that destroyed Sid as a character. A loving father and a respected doctor isn't doing things like that. Not at all. There are no excuses for what he did. I found it hard to belive in Sid as a character after that. For me the fuss about Sid's involvement in the Romeo cancer case was quite strange. Because the case about Stu was far worse. 

[Luke39]

1 hour ago, jodlebirger said:

There were a lot of witnesses to Stu slapping Sasha. And remember several others tried to stop Sid. Roo was one of them, and it led to her breaking up with Sid. 

I am always wondering why some here think that if you have a behaviour problem because of what happens in your childhood and youth, you are a criminal and is never going to change and don't deserve any support but to be put away to rot in a jail. Of course they need to be punished for their actions, a bad childhood is an explanation not an excuse. But they also need to get some help and understanding, so they can move on.  I feel the cases with Stu/Sasha and Tank/Evie had something in common. But Stu's case was even far worse, living in that house with an abusive father.  And he was younger (at least looked younger). 

Sasha fell in love with the wrong person, but she really did more than that... She didn't listen to her dad or other around her. And when things went badly, she didn't tell others about it. Yes, women who gets abused tend to be afraid of telling others about it. In a way it was understandable, she was young but on the other hand she did have a good family. It is not an excuse for what she did and didn't do. Young girls (and boys) need to learn how to take care of themselves.

But the real "criminal" in this was Sid. He was the adult one, he was a respected doctor - and could easily have gone to the police. Instead he decided it was better to beat that boy half to dead without thinking about the consequences for the boy or for his own family.  And that destroyed Sid as a character. A loving father and a respected doctor isn't doing things like that. Not at all. There are no excuses for what he did. I found it hard to belive in Sid as a character after that. For me the fuss about Sid's involvement in the Romeo cancer case was quite strange. Because the case about Stu was far worse. 

Yeah I agree. Clinically Stu had a bad childhood. And their was explanation their. Sid was a grown man. And as far I could tell did not have an abusive background. He was a womanizer. And he beat Stu half to death. I understand he was protecting Sasha. But Sid took it too far. So I think Stu was the victim in all of this. And I Think people who watch this show, need to stop passing off Young Teens as Psychos. Even Hunter now.