Red Ranger 1 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 1 hour ago, jodlebirger said: There were a lot of witnesses to Stu slapping Sasha. And remember several others tried to stop Sid. Roo was one of them, and it led to her breaking up with Sid. But the real "criminal" in this was Sid. He was the adult one, he was a respected doctor - and could easily have gone to the police. Instead he decided it was better to beat that boy half to dead without thinking about the consequences for the boy or for his own family. And that destroyed Sid as a character. A loving father and a respected doctor isn't doing things like that. Not at all. There are no excuses for what he did. I found it hard to belive in Sid as a character after that. For me the fuss about Sid's involvement in the Romeo cancer case was quite strange. Because the case about Stu was far worse. There were no witnesses to Stu slapping Sasha.If there had been, Sid wouldn't have been able to get as far as he did: When other people turned up, after Sasha ran to get help, they pulled him off him straightaway.Yes, what Sid did was wrong.But I'm not willing to write him off because of it.I don't like this idea that if a teen does something wrong then we should all feel sorry for them and make excuses for them but if adult does something wrong then they deserve to die.It was an immediate reaction, a moment of madness, that Sid regretted immediately.Others did as bad or worse (*cough*Aden to Axel*) with far less consequences but people just make excuses for them. Hunter is a psycho and the fact that the show's trying to pretend he isn't and having everyone in favour of him shagging an abuse victim is one of the things that is destroying it for me.There is no way that prior to 2008 an ill-meaning character like him would have been written at all sympathetically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer101 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 I think people go easier on teenagers sometimes because their brains are literally still forming, and their brains aren't as rational or mature as an adult. I'm not saying this fact grants them the right to do what they want, but I think it should at least be considered when analyzing teenage behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke39 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Why does Stu or Tank get Sympathy but not Hunter? I am not having a go, I Am geniunely asking. I mean I know it all started in 2008-2009 when Aden got Sympathy. Point is back then they had background and psychology to the writing. They explored Aden's background, and his relationship with his Father. With Hunter, we know his relationship with his Mother. But beyond that, no explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dee123 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 This thread stopped being about what it's title is like 10 pages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke39 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Are the Current Producers Ruining Home and Away? Short Answer Too early too tell. Complete Answer: Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderer101 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 45 minutes ago, dee123 said: This thread stopped being about what it's title is like 10 pages ago. Idk about that, because sometimes this thread goes into specific discussions (right now about teenagers behaviour) which has to do with what some view as what could be ruining the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jodlebirger Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 6 hours ago, Red Ranger 1 said: There were no witnesses to Stu slapping Sasha.If there had been, Sid wouldn't have been able to get as far as he did: When other people turned up, after Sasha ran to get help, they pulled him off him straightaway.Yes, what Sid did was wrong.But I'm not willing to write him off because of it.I don't like this idea that if a teen does something wrong then we should all feel sorry for them and make excuses for them but if adult does something wrong then they deserve to die.It was an immediate reaction, a moment of madness, that Sid regretted immediately.Others did as bad or worse (*cough*Aden to Axel*) with far less consequences but people just make excuses for them. Hunter is a psycho and the fact that the show's trying to pretend he isn't and having everyone in favour of him shagging an abuse victim is one of the things that is destroying it for me.There is no way that prior to 2008 an ill-meaning character like him would have been written at all sympathetically. You do too, RR1... just with different characters... ;-) Excuse them for their actions when you complain about far less... Seen it all the years I have been on this site! And no matter what, a responsible father doesn't do what Sid did... And everyone excused him, just because he was a father and loved his children... But that doesn't make the crime less serious, but worse. 2 hours ago, dee123 said: This thread stopped being about what it's title is like 10 pages ago. The discussion that has been going on belongs to the tread. It is about things that we think ruins the show and how the writers are ruining storylines and characters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j.laur5 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 I know I am not mod but maybe its time we closed the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ranger 1 Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Well, yes, I guess we all do that.Possibly it's subjective but I think what happened with Sid is how to show a character doing something that most people would consider wrong without character assassination and without making them irredeemable or impossible to sympathise with.Possibly it helped that Robert Mammone was a better actor than some of the cast, possibly it's because what he did wasn't that bad (comparatively speaking), possibly it's because it was a situation that was essentially grounded in the real world with a character who inhabits a world that the audience recognise.Most of us are unlikely to have the person who kidnapped our brother and killed his brother lying on life support after a car crash and have to decide whether or not to sneak in and turn the machines off.Most of us are unlikely to have our father shot dead by the brother we've never met and wonder if we should kidnap him and stake him out in the desert to die.Most of us are unlikely to respond to our father not wanting to see us by going "Hey, I'll burn his house down, that'll teach him." But a father witnessing his daughter being assaulted by her boyfriend and learning she's been a victim of sustained abuse at his hands? That is something that could happen to "normal" people.And I'm sure we'd all like to think that we'd calmly lead our daughter away from the situation and notify the police at the earliest convenience.But, and I'm not for one second saying that it's right or that it excuses him, do any of us know for sure that we wouldn't react how Sid did if we were in that situation? Sure, it's not responsible behaviour.But even back in the show's first year Tom Fletcher beat up Sam Barlow for making comments about Carly being raped, with no thought to the fact that he could have been charged with assault and be taken away from his family.So...I guess the show got ruined before the middle of 1988? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homeandawayfan. Posted July 29, 2016 Report Share Posted July 29, 2016 Also Tom threatened to tan one of the foster kids back sides as well. He was quite handy with his fists when he wanted to be. I think Bobby set fire to that car to rid the spirits of Floss's premonition and she went unpunished. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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