Light of the Bay Posted February 13, 2014 Report Posted February 13, 2014 Would it really be so hard for a producer to do an interview and actually admit the weaknesses and faults with their show? At least they'd acknowledge them and hopefully do their best to fix them. Personally, I think the writing room needs a round of firings and Network 7 need to bleep! off and leave TPTB to use their own vision when making the show.
TelephotoMarigold Posted February 13, 2014 Report Posted February 13, 2014 You're not going to encourage 'new viewers' or maintain the trust of your present audience if you give an interview and admit your product isn't any good...
Light of the Bay Posted February 13, 2014 Report Posted February 13, 2014 I don't mean that they should say their show is rubbish and not worth watching etc. but I think they should admit (where Lucy's concerned) that there is a blatant favouritism and lack of story lines for older characters. Just why doesn't she do that? I don't doubt for a second that she isn't aware of the writing issues that have plagued the show for years and that certain characters are underused. It's just a shame that these problems continue to fester after all this time.
John Posted February 14, 2014 Report Posted February 14, 2014 I think that the vision of the show held by a number of members of this forum may be significantly different to that held by the "powers that be" at 7 and transmitted from them to the producers and writers. I guess each will believe that they have the vision "right" in their own way. Whether that vision is "in the spirit of the show" is also a matter of opinion. You only have to read back in this thread to see that. I think that we all need to acknowledge that the Channel 7 PTB , producers and writers are working day to day in the industry. They are subject to all the pressures of peer scrutiny, critical appraisal, audience reaction, ratings etc every single day. If they are perceived as failing by enough of those groups their jobs are on the line. That's a level of accountability which none of us looking at the show critically as audience members, whether we have some writing "credits" or not, are subject to. I don't think they can be blamed for backing their own judgement when they are the ones who will take the fall if they show fails. We have no evidence they do not read and consider feedback. All we know is that they don't always reply and don't always change the show in accordance with suggestions or criticism that may be submitted. That could simply mean that they have read the criticisms and suggestions but don't agree with them. Are we suggesting that not agreeing with us and not acting on our criticisms amounts to arrogance? Are we being arrogant in demanding that they should? In saying this I am trying to look at all this from the point of view of the writers. There are aspects of the shows writing and storylines that I don't like. I have suggested ways I think the characterization could be improved. I think the pacing of some storylines is very poor. However I am reluctant to start accusing the PTB, writers and producers at 7 of arrogance for not immediately taking my suggestions on board and changing the show. After all it's their a@#$ on the line not mine.
Jacklost Posted February 14, 2014 Report Posted February 14, 2014 I´m surprised this show is still going on with all the people complaining about it..
cadyctslover Posted February 14, 2014 Report Posted February 14, 2014 Are we suggesting that not agreeing with us and not acting on our criticisms amounts to arrogance? Are we being arrogant in demanding that they should? No. The arrogance lies in ignoring the fact that a significant proportion of the audience aren't interested in the Braxton's. You don't have to then go as far as changing the whole show to suit those viewers, but failing to admit this fact in interviews, and explain that they aim to give equal share of storylines to all characters is wrong. And the real issue is that they're not trying to do that.
demerse Posted February 15, 2014 Report Posted February 15, 2014 Interesting thread. I've watched H&A since first episode tho gave up for a while during the first incarnation of Gypsy. Found her and Will and the story lines then tough going. Got back into it for the Angela Russell story. Enjoyed it since, partly for the cartoonish whodunnits as well as the old stalwarts like Alf, Sally, Morag, Colleen. The lead up to Sally's exit was magnificent, Milko arrival genius. Jack shooting. Summer Bay stalker. Josh West murder. Rev Hall going rogue. The Peter Baker reincarnation. All top class. Tony Holden was a great character. It lost something when he left. The last of the glory days, for me anyway, was the Hugo Austin is he-isn't he saga, though he really should have got his comeuppance. I know a lot of old fans don't really like the cartoonish plots but the thing is, they can't even do those well any more. The recent Adam Sharpe hostage nonsense a case in point. Pedestrian half-hearted guff. The Brax court shooting another dud. Telegraphed and boring. So now they have completely abandoned the heart and warmth of the old staples - Alf unrecognisable, irene sidelined, Roo - who was a good addition - unrecognisable from the character who arrived. The use of language too - Alf's rants, Coleen's mangled malapropisms - all gone. They have ignored the back stories. And they have also lost the ability to put together a gripping cartoon caper. It is a mess and a shambles of the most unappealing characters you could dream up. To be fair, Brax and Heath are probably the best of what's left. But Casey and his whining and his HSC - gimme a break. That girl who lives in the caravan park must be an all-time low. Anyway, I could take no more about 3 months ago and bowed out. Follow a few updates on fan sites and might catch the season finale. But they have certainly ruined it for me - maybe for different reasons to some.
Jacklost Posted February 15, 2014 Report Posted February 15, 2014 Interesting thread. I've watched H&A since first episode tho gave up for a while during the first incarnation of Gypsy. Found her and Will and the story lines then tough going. Got back into it for the Angela Russell story. Enjoyed it since, partly for the cartoonish whodunnits as well as the old stalwarts like Alf, Sally, Morag, Colleen. The lead up to Sally's exit was magnificent, Milko arrival genius. Jack shooting. Summer Bay stalker. Josh West murder. Rev Hall going rogue. The Peter Baker reincarnation. All top class. Tony Holden was a great character. It lost something when he left. The last of the glory days, for me anyway, was the Hugo Austin is he-isn't he saga, though he really should have got his comeuppance. I know a lot of old fans don't really like the cartoonish plots but the thing is, they can't even do those well any more. The recent Adam Sharpe hostage nonsense a case in point. Pedestrian half-hearted guff. The Brax court shooting another dud. Telegraphed and boring. So now they have completely abandoned the heart and warmth of the old staples - Alf unrecognisable, irene sidelined, Roo - who was a good addition - unrecognisable from the character who arrived. The use of language too - Alf's rants, Coleen's mangled malapropisms - all gone. They have ignored the back stories. And they have also lost the ability to put together a gripping cartoon caper. It is a mess and a shambles of the most unappealing characters you could dream up. To be fair, Brax and Heath are probably the best of what's left. But Casey and his whining and his HSC - gimme a break. That girl who lives in the caravan park must be an all-time low. Anyway, I could take no more about 3 months ago and bowed out. Follow a few updates on fan sites and might catch the season finale. But they have certainly ruined it for me - maybe for different reasons to some. What are you talking about? Jack was shot after Sally left and which girl that lives in the caravan park? Are yoi talking about Maddie? Wny would the show be cartoonish? Adam storyline was far from nonsen. Martyn Lyne is a fantastic actor
Light of the Bay Posted February 15, 2014 Report Posted February 15, 2014 I thought the Adam story line was a load of nonsense. Those kind of stories (which happen too often) make the show seem like a cheap carbon copy of US cop shows and Underbelly.
Jacklost Posted February 15, 2014 Report Posted February 15, 2014 I thought the Adam story line was a load of nonsense. Those kind of stories (which happen too often) make the show seem like a cheap carbon copy of US cop shows and Underbelly. Allot of people would disagree with that. Martin is a better actor than most of the cast that has been on the show, we need decent actors like him
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