1995 Episode Discussion

[Red Ranger 1]

Caught up on today's ep.I really don't see how else Angel could have reacted.When a friend turns up having been beaten up by her boyfriend and said boyfriend then turns up and starts throwing his weight around, of course you're going to be scared of him, rather than offering him a cup of tea.I think whether or not Andrew enjoyed doing it was irrelevant, he's proven himself to be a violent bully.And that's why he hasn't gone after Rob, because he prefers the smaller targets who aren't going to hit him back.It's made blatant in the way he waits for Rob to leave before going after Donna again: Not brave enough to face her when there's someone his own size around.That said, I'm not sure that Rob charging around town like the local sheriff looking to sort him out was a particularly helpful approach (he and Shane did look like the local posse with the way they went to the flat) and turning up at school apparently intent on causing trouble was definitely not a good idea.I can't see it being kept secret now though, so him telling Donald probably didn't affect things one way or another.Donna had a black eye and it's implied she'd injured her ribs in addition to the bloody nose, so we're not talking a gentle slap here.

And while broadly speaking there's been a love triangle going on, Rob hasn't actually done anything about his feelings (Donna didn't even know he had any until Travis spilled the beans) and Donna has given no indication of reciprocating.This is all in Andrew's head.Would it have been okay for Shane to beat up Angel for spending time with Jack when he liked her?

Talking of Jack, he was a jerk towards Sally and there didn't seem to be any reason for it except that he's Jack.Aside from being supportive towards Donna, Angel didn't really come across well, nagging Shane as if stopping looking for a job for five minutes would make all the difference and then coming up with a contrived way to blame Michael.Oh well, I guess she realised in the end.

[Old H&A Fan]

Episode 1683. Musical montage with Walking Into Doors by Archie Roach takes up the whole time between the recap and the first commercial break. What on Earth was going through the Producer's mind when he edited this episode together? Why the musical montage? Mr Producerman in 1995, why weren't we allowed to hear the final conversation between Andrew and Donna (instead being overdubbed by the Archie Roach track in question)?

Rob is no better than Andrew. If ya ask me, he too is a violent thug and an ape. He is no better than Andrew is. Don't ask me to describe Rob as some kind of a "hero".

Shane should have been allowed to give Jack a thrashing (instead of just threatening him) when he was trying to crack onto Angel. It would have been just as irrational for Shane to hit Angel for apparently going out with Jack, as it was irrational for Andrew to hit Donna for what he believed was more than friendship (kissing). Oh and by the way, let's not forget that Andrew's flat is Andrew's territory, and Rob being the enemy (constantly badmouthing him from start to finish) was therefore invading Andrew's home, he had no permission or right to be there. While I am not saying this is in any way justifying Andrew hitting her or causing any of her injuries, Donna still did made a mistake by letting him in to Andrew's flat without Andrew's permission. A talking-to would have sufficed (not a fist in the face!)

[kathrine french]

I hated andrew poor donna it was NOT her fault it never ok to hit someone. Hope thàt the last we see from Andrew and I hope Donna can get through this. Agree Jack be so mean toward Sally good on Sally for be upgraded in Maths.

[matty]

13 hours ago, CaptainHulk said:

Well, it was stated they were rich. And I'm guessing Old Man Harris kicked the bucket leaving Anne and Paulie set.

Paul seems to be the more amicable of the two Harris but that changes as the year wears on...

 

So, what does their being rich have to do with it? If anything that shows that they have more to offer Dylan than Angel does. What I want to know is why Angel thinks that she is more entitled to Dylan than Paul, just because she is his mother and he is his father. Especially considering that Paul has looked after him more than she has. 

[early years fan]

1 hour ago, matty said:

So, what does their being rich have to do with it? If anything that shows that they have more to offer Dylan than Angel does. What I want to know is why Angel thinks that she is more entitled to Dylan than Paul, just because she is his mother and he is his father. Especially considering that Paul has looked after him more than she has. 

I agree.  When she answers to Paul, ......"and I'm his MOTHER!"  so?? I don't think that gives her any kind of special entitlement, seeing as Mrs. Harris and Paul have put in the hard yards and money to bring him up.  She is lucky he has had a stable home and upbringing, rather then being put into foster care.  She just wants them to live happily ever after as a family without considering the emotional effect on Dylan.

Not saying she shouldn't be entitled to see him, but shared access would be more realistic rather then just pulling him out of the only home he has known and dumping him in a different one, which would be quite unsettling for a child.

As for the Donna and Andrew story line, it was a good example of how women get caught up in the DV cycle returning to abusive partners, and finding it hard to make a clean break or go to the police to report it.  It's no wonder so many women end up dead from staying in these relationships.  I think it's a well known fact based on evidence and research that these men don't often change.  I don't agree with Rob responding with violence though, he could have well ended up with an assault charge himself.

I also agree shangel are treating don appalingly given all he has done for them, and now he has the good grace to offer them the money for court costs.  They are both coming across as rather bratty, immature and selfish.

 

[Old H&A Fan]

Jack:    I heard about what you did to Donna. 
Andrew:    Great! 
Jack:    When you told me it was the wrong thing to do, and it would never happen again, was that just a line to shut me up or what? 
Andrew:    No. I meant it then and I still do. 
Andrew:    Come in. 
Andrew:    I'm getting ready to split. I quit this morning. Then the cops came around and gave me a summons, and a restraining order. Nothing to stay for now. 
Jack:    Were you going to say goodbye or anything? 
Andrew:    No. I thought I'd better just make a clean break. 
Jack:    Why did you do it? 
Andrew:    Ask Donna. 
Jack:    You want me to ask Donna why you smacked her? 
Andrew:    Well, I didn't do it for the hell of it. I love her. It was all going so well, and she had to stuff it up. Did she think she could give Rob the come-on and I wouldn't react? 
Jack:    So she deserved to get beaten up? 
Andrew:    I didn't beat her up. I just lost it for a couple of seconds. The important thing is we could have got it together if she'd stayed and talked it through. I really thought she'd give it more of a shot this time. 
Jack:    You expected her to stay after what you did to her? Man, you are insane. 
Andrew:    You don't know anything about it. I trusted her and she lied to me. 
Jack:    You're lying to yourself. That's what's happening. 
Andrew:    I don't need to hear this. 
Jack:    Sorry, but I think you do.

[Natasha]

On 11/07/2016 at 10:30 PM, Old H&A Fan said:

What, so you're saying people don't make mistakes?

Andrew has made one too many. The way he just shoved poor Donna around I was actually quite nervous watching it. I'd thought he might end up killing her.

And Jack! He was such a tool in this episode. Verbal abuse is just as bad as physical abuse.

10 hours ago, early years fan said:

I agree.  When she answers to Paul, ......"and I'm his MOTHER!"  so?? I don't think that gives her any kind of special entitlement, seeing as Mrs. Harris and Paul have put in the hard yards and money to bring him up.  She is lucky he has had a stable home and upbringing, rather then being put into foster care.  She just wants them to live happily ever after as a family without considering the emotional effect on Dylan.

Not saying she shouldn't be entitled to see him, but shared access would be more realistic rather then just pulling him out of the only home he has known and dumping him in a different one, which would be quite unsettling for a child.

As for the Donna and Andrew story line, it was a good example of how women get caught up in the DV cycle returning to abusive partners, and finding it hard to make a clean break or go to the police to report it.  It's no wonder so many women end up dead from staying in these relationships.  I think it's a well known fact based on evidence and research that these men don't often change.  I don't agree with Rob responding with violence though, he could have well ended up with an assault charge himself.

I also agree shangel are treating don appalingly given all he has done for them, and now he has the good grace to offer them the money for court costs.  They are both coming across as rather bratty, immature and selfish.

 

Love this post! Wholeheartedly agree.

[beau_t]

Was that Rob's final episode? It felt kind of like the characters were saying a subtle "see you around" to him.

Thank goodness Shane and Angel weren't in this episode. I like them but it's nice to get a break from them sometimes too.

I liked the "Walking Into Doors" montage. I thought it was effective.

[Dan F]

2 minutes ago, beau_t said:

Was that Rob's final episode? It felt kind of like the characters were saying a subtle "see you around" to him.

He's got one more week to go

[j.laur5]

Spoiler

32 minutes ago, Dan F said:

He's got one more week to go

Was Rob axed or did actor quit?.