2022 Season - UK Episode Discussion

[pembie]

1 hour ago, Antzz said:

I agree the storyline isn't that believable and there is no back story to it . I like Remi i just don't think he should have been chosen for the Bree storyline .

Yeah it’s abit crap The story starts and I don’t really like or care about Bree not a great start haha

[atrus]

  

17 minutes ago, Red Ranger 1 said:

Marilyn behaved exactly as Sloane said she would: Treated them like a tourist attraction, turned up for a few days for a "seretonin boost", then disappeared off back to her old life

Well, yes - if Roo hadn't all but bundled her into the car back to Summer Bay, getting an earful of uncalled-for invective from Sloane might well have been enough to crush Marilyn's spirit to the extent she'd have left of her own accord; honestly, that kind of tirade would probably put me off going back too, and the handbag theft likely wouldn't help either, if I carried one. I know you're not a fan of hers but putting all that aside, I just fail entirely to see how Marilyn was the wrongdoer in their interactions and Sloane the righteous one - I almost feel like going through her dialogue line by line, it was so unpleasant. I won't, but suffice it to say it was far ruder than anything Roo (or anybody else) said to Sloane. Striking up a chat with someone over lunch (which was Marilyn's only 'crime' that Sloane could humanly be aware of at the point they met) isn't "treating them like a tourist attraction"; where I come from, it's quite normal. OK, not everybody wants to chat, and I empathise with that as someone who often doesn't myself; but there are (far) more polite ways of disentangling oneself from that scenario. Conversely, laying into someone who's trying to be friendly for no reason, stealing their handbag, then coming back to put the boot in a second time, isn't normal. In their first scene Sloane had no way of knowing anything about Marilyn, her life, why she was there or whether she would be back - so her cynicism must either have been driven by prejudice, or some magical knowledge about Marilyn's circumstances that the writers oughtn't to have given her.

Anyway, that's probably more than enough hating on this bit-part character. But she honestly did grind my gears quite considerably - almost as much, it seems, as Marilyn grinds yours.

[H&Alover]

Not wanting to get in on the great argument and causing even more hassle but if Roo hadn't stuck her nose in Marilyn may have well been there for a lot longer than a couple of days.  As I have said she would have gone back when she was ready.   Roo 'dragged' Marilyn off by insisting she belonged back in the bay and that very day!  I'm supposing soup kitchens like the one Maz was helping out on does get a fair  turnover of volunteers, but there would be people who are there long term so the the regulars who pitch up do get to know them so Sloane's comment about them being a tourist attraction was unjustified.   The comment  from atrus about volunteers  doing what they do to make themselves feel good is true I volunteer that is why we do why we do it so it shouldn't be knocked.  People like the guys and gals running the soup kitchen would be out in all weathers, though I don't suppose Sydney would get much bad weather, but not the best surroundings to be in when it got dark. 

How was Marilyn responsible  for Heather slashing  John's tyres and smashing up Leah & Justin's house?  Heather is an adult, not a stable one true, but still an adult. The only reason she did that was because they dared to take Marilyn's side.  It's been said previously why couldn't she, Heather, once she knew who Marilyn was, she only found out Maz was Maz when Irene said her name, just come out with the whole accusation of her adandoning her at birth in front of everyone and waved the birth certificate around. That really would have shamed her!  

We have seen 'the bright and bubbly Maz' on the surface at least but we don't see her on her own do we? One thing jarred though how come she got to give her written statement at the Stewart house and not at the cop shop? It wasn't as if she wasn't able to make the long, long trek to Yabby Creek due to disability or illness.  Not a lot Rose could say about Heather either cos she didn't know or wouldn't be able to divulge the information.  She just said there would be psychiatric reports forthcoming.

Maybe and I'm only guessing, Ziggy didn't tell Justin why she wasn't able to open up shop because if she had told him why he would have done what he did anyway, cut her hours due to her being pregnant.  He would have to down the line anyway, it's not as if she has a shop or a desk job, she's a mechanic and he'd be irresponsible if he allowed her to do her full job, lifting engines, changing tyres etc. 

We finally saw the scene they showed in the trailer the week before last where Jacob announced he was giving up his job so he could be with Bree all the time. We also saw him threatening her and hurting her after he guessed why Eden mentioned would he hit her if she didn't do what Remi told her to do.  Was he that when she worked in other hospitals and didn't like her talking to other men?  Maybe before she has let it go, but now she has met Remi and finds she likes him she feels strong enough to stand up to him. He does exude menace even when he's being nice at least on the surface. Mac quickly worked out who the married lady Remi was interested in when she saw Remi looking at Bree and Jacob on the beach. No normal reason why Bree had to explain to Jacob that she didn't know Remi  would be at SALT the same time so he didn't think they had arranged to meet.  It was telling she felt her time in the bay when he wasn't there was 'normal', it's really sad that such a woman like her, a professional who seems to have it all doesn't. Going by the trailers she has come to the end of her tether.  can't get why some on here can't see that and  find it tedious. Brave subject for H&A to tackle.  

 

 

[Antzz]

1 hour ago, H&Alover said:

Not wanting to get in on the great argument and causing even more hassle but if Roo hadn't stuck her nose in Marilyn may have well been there for a lot longer than a couple of days.  As I have said she would have gone back when she was ready.   Roo 'dragged' Marilyn off by insisting she belonged back in the bay and that very day!  I'm supposing soup kitchens like the one Maz was helping out on does get a fair  turnover of volunteers, but there would be people who are there long term so the the regulars who pitch up do get to know them so Sloane's comment about them being a tourist attraction was unjustified.   The comment  from atrus about volunteers  doing what they do to make themselves feel good is true I volunteer that is why we do why we do it so it shouldn't be knocked.  People like the guys and gals running the soup kitchen would be out in all weathers, though I don't suppose Sydney would get much bad weather, but not the best surroundings to be in when it got dark. 

How was Marilyn responsible  for Heather slashing  John's tyres and smashing up Leah & Justin's house?  Heather is an adult, not a stable one true, but still an adult. The only reason she did that was because they dared to take Marilyn's side.  It's been said previously why couldn't she, Heather, once she knew who Marilyn was, she only found out Maz was Maz when Irene said her name, just come out with the whole accusation of her adandoning her at birth in front of everyone and waved the birth certificate around. That really would have shamed her!  

We have seen 'the bright and bubbly Maz' on the surface at least but we don't see her on her own do we? One thing jarred though how come she got to give her written statement at the Stewart house and not at the cop shop? It wasn't as if she wasn't able to make the long, long trek to Yabby Creek due to disability or illness.  Not a lot Rose could say about Heather either cos she didn't know or wouldn't be able to divulge the information.  She just said there would be psychiatric reports forthcoming.

Maybe and I'm only guessing, Ziggy didn't tell Justin why she wasn't able to open up shop because if she had told him why he would have done what he did anyway, cut her hours due to her being pregnant.  He would have to down the line anyway, it's not as if she has a shop or a desk job, she's a mechanic and he'd be irresponsible if he allowed her to do her full job, lifting engines, changing tyres etc. 

We finally saw the scene they showed in the trailer the week before last where Jacob announced he was giving up his job so he could be with Bree all the time. We also saw him threatening her and hurting her after he guessed why Eden mentioned would he hit her if she didn't do what Remi told her to do.  Was he that when she worked in other hospitals and didn't like her talking to other men?  Maybe before she has let it go, but now she has met Remi and finds she likes him she feels strong enough to stand up to him. He does exude menace even when he's being nice at least on the surface. Mac quickly worked out who the married lady Remi was interested in when she saw Remi looking at Bree and Jacob on the beach. No normal reason why Bree had to explain to Jacob that she didn't know Remi  would be at SALT the same time so he didn't think they had arranged to meet.  It was telling she felt her time in the bay when he wasn't there was 'normal', it's really sad that such a woman like her, a professional who seems to have it all doesn't. Going by the trailers she has come to the end of her tether.  can't get why some on here can't see that and  find it tedious. Brave subject for H&A to tackle.  

DV is a very Important subject matter , iv'e been a victim on DV horrible situation . Problem with H&A is Bree and Remi are not convincing in the roles and its dragging on and on and on.

When Bree was around Remi you could see her relaxed and having fun, as soon as Jacob appeared she completely change so sad .

[atrus]

I felt like I was at Rose-and-Xander levels of a loose end at times during this episode.

The fact that Justin is going to be paying Ziggy the same, and keeping her job title the same, but just having her work fewer hours, puts a completely different dimension on his decision - I assumed the reason it was such drama yesterday was because she'd be being paid less/demoted. So if I were Ziggy I'd be lapping it up - surely that's the best of all worlds? But no, Dean still didn't seem satisfied. Storm in a teacup is springing to mind.

Dean was right about Justin's poor communications skills, though. You don't reduce someone's hours but then neglect to tell them what hours they're actually working and when they take effect. That's as bad as Ziggy forgetting to go to work in the first place, and seemingly caused just as many problems.

Poor Bree looks absolutely terrified in all her scenes with Jacob. Given that, I wonder what her actual plan is in getting him to delay quitting his job - does she have one, or is she just desperate for some short-term respite from him? The ending suggests the latter, probably. Remi wandering around bawling at people wasn't helping his cause, but at least Bree has finally asked him for help which is the first step.

[pembie]

It felt like Bree got Jacob to go back to his mining job so she could flirt with Remi Jacob didn’t do anything wrong this story is not working lol

[Red Ranger 1]

21 hours ago, atrus said:

Well, yes - if Roo hadn't all but bundled her into the car back to Summer Bay, getting an earful of uncalled-for invective from Sloane might well have been enough to crush Marilyn's spirit to the extent she'd have left of her own accord;

If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you were calling Marilyn a horrible person under the guise of defending her: So, because one person is rude to her and temporarily steals from her, that means she's justified in deciding she can't be bothered to help people because they've got bigger things to worry about than massaging her hurt feelings?

 

8 hours ago, H&Alover said:

How was Marilyn responsible  for Heather slashing  John's tyres and smashing up Leah & Justin's house?  Heather is an adult, not a stable one true, but still an adult. The only reason she did that was because they dared to take Marilyn's side.  It's been said previously why couldn't she, Heather, once she knew who Marilyn was, she only found out Maz was Maz when Irene said her name, just come out with the whole accusation of her adandoning her at birth in front of everyone and waved the birth certificate around. That really would have shamed her!  

Like I said, the moment Heather started doing things like that, there was a chance she could do it again (and she did), yet despite knowing she was guilty, Marilyn lied to her friends and to the police, mainly because she didn't want them asking too many questions about things she didn't want made public knowledge. I continue to be bewildered at people slamming Heather for not telling everyone who she was, while glossing over the fact that Marilyn was also lying to everyone about it and actually told Heather not to tell anyone!

Alf's episode count this week:Four.

The episode suffered badly from the fact that Ziggy's not in it, so we just get Justin and Dean talking about her a lot, with Justin in clueless boss mode and Dean playing the part of the overprotective boyfriend. Also, it feels like the episode was trying its best to punish Justin for, well, I'm not sure anyone quite worked out what he's meant to have done, lumbering him with John at his most unhelpful: After he refused to let Justin go and pick up his car because reasons, I really couldn't blame Justin for telling him to stick it. I agree that Justin should have told Ziggy exactly what her new hours were instead of expecting her to still come in, but that works both ways, and Ziggy could have asked if he still wanted her in that day instead of assuming she had the day off and going shopping. In fact, I'm struggling to work out how this didn't come up: Did Justin just teleport out of Ziggy's house when the scene ended without them discussing anything?

Xander and Rose's scenes did feel a bit like filler, with the only thing of note being Xander scoring a date with someone who viewers with long memories will remember as one of Remi's conquests, but it is nice to see them enjoying each other's company.

Well, I guess my question of how long they can drag this out was kind of answered, as Jacob quickly left but with a threat to return.It's clear that, for all her early claims to the contrary, Bree no longer loves him and wants out of the marriage but is too scared to say so.After Remi's spent most of the day acting like a headless chicken, Bree does finally come to him for help.

[atrus]

1 hour ago, Red Ranger 1 said:

If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you were calling Marilyn a horrible person under the guise of defending her: So, because one person is rude to her and temporarily steals from her, that means she's justified in deciding she can't be bothered to help people because they've got bigger things to worry about than massaging her hurt feelings?

I'm not calling her a horrible person at all, though it feels like you're determined to get us there one way or another! Earlier you said it wouldn't matter if she stopped turning up because she was surplus to requirements and there were plenty of other food servers anyway, so which is it - that she was contributing nothing in the first place and so is horrible for turning up to assuage her guilt over Heather, or that she's horrible for abandoning the poor homeless people now she's stopped going? Honestly, by your assessment she can't ever win, can she?

Not doing voluntary work in the same place every day indefinitely does not make you horrible; people help out when they can. But the point I was making is that Marilyn is a fragile person and takes things to heart, so to have someone slam her motivations for being there is exactly the kind of thing that could put her off going back - she might well feel guilty and embarrassed, assume everybody views her thus and thinks she's worthless, and feel unable to show her face again. But as has been said, the truth is we don't know for sure what would have happened for sure if Roo hadn't intervened; Maz might well have kept going back day after day for as long as she was in the City. But being back home now, she can't very well commute there from Summer Bay on a daily basis.

1 hour ago, Red Ranger 1 said:

I continue to be bewildered at people slamming Heather for not telling everyone who she was, while glossing over the fact that Marilyn was also lying to everyone about it and actually told Heather not to tell anyone!

Maybe we're partly glossing over it because, unlike Heather, Maz's intended endgame wasn't to drug and shackle all her friends in an abandoned mansion? It feels like you're willing to cut Heather a lot of slack because she's obviously got mental health issues, and I agree it should earn her some sympathy; but the fact that she's probably created (or revived, given Maz already has a history in this regard) a lot of mental health issues for Marilyn in behaving the way she has seems to win Maz no slack or sympathy at all. I agree Marilyn made mistakes and lied; I certainly don't think she handled the situation well after the point that she and Heather decided to call a truce. But the whole scenario had put her under a lot of stress, and her motivations weren't as simple or selfish as you're making out, either; yes, she lied because she was worried what people would think of her, though I honestly don't see that as the worst thing in the world; but she also lied to the police in order to protect Heather.

[Red Ranger 1]

6 hours ago, atrus said:

Earlier you said it wouldn't matter if she stopped turning up because she was surplus to requirements and there were plenty of other food servers anyway, so which is it - that she was contributing nothing in the first place and so is horrible for turning up to assuage her guilt over Heather, or that she's horrible for abandoning the poor homeless people now she's stopped going?

I think it's mostly a case of she's a horrible person because she only made a token attempt at making up for everything she's done and then immediately gave up when it didn't bring her the praise and adoration she was hoping and no-one really cared whether she was there or not.

 

6 hours ago, atrus said:

Maybe we're partly glossing over it because, unlike Heather, Maz's intended endgame wasn't to drug and shackle all her friends in an abandoned mansion?

Now there's damning with faint praise: She's a selfish liar who manipulated and gaslighted her friends and probably pushed her daughter even further over the edge than she already was in the process, but at least she didn't drug or kidnap anyone! You might dismiss it as "unreasonable", but maybe if Marilyn hadn't constantly let Heather down at every turn and refused to acknowledge her despite the impact her actions were having on her mental health, things wouldn't have got that far.

[c120701]

Every time there’s a scene in the Lyrik house I’m constantly trying to figure out the weird arch thing on the blue wall, is it supposed to be a wave? It’s quite low in places, it seems a bit too much of an architectural feature than we’re used to on the shows sets these days.