2024 Season - UK Episode Discussion

[H&Alover]

2 hours ago, CaptainHulk said:

There's only two Vernon's I think of 

1. Vernon  Fenwick from 80s TMNT (April's snidey, pompous cowardly coworker at Ch6)

2. Vernon Tomlin in Corrie aka Mr Liz McDonald 2. 

Vernon Kay - TV presenter, married to Tess Daly. 

Well I don't see Dana as uncaring.  

Abigail does have good reason to be unlikeable she is still going through withdrawal and it would make anyone twitchy and distrustful.  it wouldn't have been easy for her to identify Dom whichever why she did it, looking through photos of the usual subjects, it would bring back bad memories.   She is trying and she has chivvied Levi into going back to work.  Mac may have  a use for her at Salt, the usual thing wiping tables etc. She does need to keep occupied, she was fine with bumping into Kirby, she was civil to her at least. She was very surprised to hear that Mali wasn't into drinking. Kirby was OK with Mali not pursuing a career in art. 

At least Abigail has agreed to counselling as it may be be discovered what the cause was that she started taking drugs. It may not have been anything, but could have been the break up of her family. 

John was being the good guy again, helping Cash when he had his panic attack and taking him home.  Alerting Remi. Flick used to have panic attacks as well.  His running and seeing the flashbacks of Felicity dying and the offering of her becoming an organ donor. 

Tane may not have been in love with Flick at the end but they did love each other. 

Xander does seem to have forgotten about with his offer to buy into Salt instead Mac, after Mali's suggestion, to ask Levi, but put it off, I'm guessing this putting Abigail though counselling will be private so be costing him money.  Anyways  not a good idea for them to be partners what if they break up, she'd have to go through it all again.  Was Cash really in the right frame of mind to be offering to pay and Mac accepting what Felicity paid to buy into Salt.  Let's say it was $5000, they must have made a good profit since then so maybe it would worth double that? Shouldn't he be having a word with his solicitor? 

We saw a brief glimpse of Michelle and she did look young.  Going back to this organ recipients and donor families meeting which may or not be  a good thing how about if you are a live donor and  they want to meet you? 

It looked like we're leading into Alf's storyline, John offering to help Alf as he looked out of puff and Alf being his usual self shrugging it off. 

[Foellfan]

True, had forgotten Vernon Kay!

I think Cash was unfair to Eden today and, though I don't suppose it was intentional, he actually came across as a bit sinister the way he tried to chase her off almost as if Michelle belonged to him, never mind the hypocrisy of 'She (Eden's) been through too much', he caused most of it. It's Michelle's choice, really and, though you don't ever really get over losing someone, maybe it might give Eden a form of closure which she deserves just as much as him.

I'll give Abby her due, she's trying but I can get Levi's concern from more of a medical stand point, getting clean is a major thing but staying is a whole different challenge and it's still early days, no-one saying she's definitely going to slip up but there's a risk, so her having a toddler tanty was perhaps not her best move.

Off-topic, I thought Dana's pink top really suited her , actually the whole look!

Edited November 12 by Foellfan

[Red Ranger 1]

To be honest, my reaction to Tane's jokey baby names was to instantly think of the nasty uncle from Harry Potter and the nasty vampire from Buffy the Vampire Slayer! Wonder if Tane's a fan?

Xander finally finds out that Mackenzie has stabbed him in the back and she doesn't even have the decency to look remotely sorry or talk to him about it, treating him like a skivvy because she's too busy catastrophising over Abigail to show genuine human decency. It would serve her right if he quits (again) and she found out what running Salt on her own is really like.Before, he had Felicity to play good cop when Mackenzie was up herself but not anymore.(And of course, Mackenzie basically set Eden up to be in Abigail's firing line by scaring her into going to look for her.)Abigail's clearly not over being surly with Remi then even if she was willing to tolerate Kirby. And I think Xander has chosen the wrong person to go and talk to: It's Mackenzie who's changed the rules, not Cash, but I guess Mackenzie has used up her episodes and we're going to have to wait until after our Christmas break to get a follow-up.

I did think Cash was very unfair on Eden. I don't think it's about him being possessive of Michelle, he seemed to be willing for Tane to be involved if he was up for it, I think it's just that he can't deal with Eden being around him at the moment so that's why he doesn't want her there. I'm glad Michelle has stood up to him and pointed out it's not all about him. They had a few dicey moments but for the most part, Eden's involvement aside, Cash seems to be keeping things in perspective.

[Slade]

Dana is uncaring. Apart from how she was with Harper when Harper had to go hospital, I can't think of a single instance when she's actually been caring or sympathetic particularly at NDH.  A lot of people can put on an act at work but she can't even pretend to be empathetic towards her patients because it's not in her nature.

Mackenzie has been getting on my nerves the last couple of episodes re the whole wanting to completely own Salt.  I don't like the way she was pressuring Cash and I don't like the way she was being dismissive of Xander either.  As mentioned, she struggled with the business when it was just her and if not for Felicity it would have gone under.

Really enjoyed the scenes with Cash and Michelle.  I also thought Cash was harsh with Eden.  He seemed pretty cold towards her again.

[H&Alover]

I liked Michelle and no I don't think she's any kind of con artist.   She does really does seem to have been through a lot  in her young life and now because of Felicity she can start to live it.  I may be way off but I think it was cathartic for Cash for him to have met Michelle, he can see for himself what donating Flick's organs really means to someone. Michelle on her part got to know the person behind the donation was  like in life. 

Hard to say one way or another if Cash was being possessive of Michelle or not. It would be very overwhelming for her to be bumping into half the town and them wondering who she is.   I guess the way he's been treating Eden lately it would be a bit weird for him to suddenly turn up and introduce them to each other. Inevitable that Eden would see Cash and Michelle together and get the wrong idea so Remi, who was supposed to be keeping an eye on Eden, had to explain who she was.   I know having Felicity's  heart and lungs wouldn't make her anything like her but Michelle's standing up to Cash was so like Flick.  She does only have Cash's perspective of Flick him being a brother but meeting  a friend brings a different side. 

It is a fine line with Abigail, she has only just recently come off drugs and it may be a hard thing to say but she will always be an addict same as alcoholics like Irene will always be alcoholics just recovering ones.  Abagail would feel like she's always being watched but although she finds it annoying at least Levi, Mac and Eden care enough to play helicopter brother, sister and friend.  Also it does take Eden's mind off ykw.   

Yes Mac, she was checking out how her finances were and it seemed, but I'm no accountant, even paying Cash whatever it was Felicity paid to buy into Salt may be tricky.  It looked like she was checking out loans seeing as Levi may not be able to help. Mac had run the place before Flick, but a couple of things scuppered her, trouble with the insurance when they wouldn't pay out after the chemical  attack, had to chuck everything, causing a  knock on effect  getting behind in her lease payments.   She still had to pay staff, buy goods to keep the place running.    Flick certainly did bail her out but it was Flick who suggested the illegal gambling nights to boost income.   But admittedly Mac got hooked on it and wanted to carry on.   I don't think Mac intentionally stabbed Xander in the back she just didn't think about him, he'd even mentioned it to Cash and he didn't say anything to Mac when she re-approached him.  Both Mac and Flick took advantage of Xander  expecting him to stand in for them and running the place when they had their dramas.  Excluding of course Mac's surgery  and recovery.  But now she is really pushing it, I'd walk off like he did.   It was a wonder they made any money both Flick and Mac were very handy with giving free dinner, lunches and drinks to their friends. 

[pembie]

You can call me a perv but I do find Abby’s fluffy pink top interesting I have never seen anyone wear a top that short in my life 

[Red Ranger 1]

Whilst I think Dana has a huge case of tunnel vision at times and frequently throws people under the bus to help whoever she considers a priority (such as convincing Tane to be with Harper at the hospital instead of supporting Perri in court), I wouldn't say she's uncaring towards patients.If you want an example of her being caring towards a non-Harper patient, I thought she was very good with John when they were isolated together.

I don't really see that Xander did anything wrong here.He took John's advice about not storming round to see Cash, and I don't think he said anything unnecessary when the opportunity arose to discuss it, even if Cash wasn't in the mood (and probably wouldn't have been even without Michelle there). By the end of the episode, Mackenzie's seemingly off the hook for going behind his back, with Dana defusing his temper and convincing him to forget about owning Salt and concentrate on what interests him.

Cash did at least make an attempt to behave like a human being with Eden, even though he did blow up at her when she touched on subjects he's not comfortable addressing.I wonder if Michelle's attempt to get through his delusions will be more successful than other people's. As many have said, Flick would be boxing his ears if she was here, so maybe he'll listen to someone he sees as a connection to her. I really hope they've let Gary know they're coming and aren't going to turn up on his doorstep and go "Surprise! It's Felicity's heart!" Michelle's comment about being one or two parts Felicity was cringe-inducing but fortunately Eden took it well.

Marilyn was being even more irritating than usual with her obsession about Leah and Justin's proposal-anniversary plans. While it's partly Justin's fault for running with it instead of pointing out that would be a bit daft, she's backed him into a difficult corner here. Am I wrong or have Leah and Justin already had a second proposal?

[CaptainHulk]

Marilyn had me like "STFU for 5mins!"

She can get like that at times.

I bet she even does Emily's head in at times.

[H&Alover]

Dana was caring towards John, she didn't have to stick around once they had got the all clear.  I love their joshing each other. He cares for her too as he charged off looking for her when she was snatched by Bronte.   

I'm loving John being Cash's guard dog keeping people from bothering him like he did when he stopped Xander going after him, he felt obliged to tell Xander and Dana who Michelle was so they got the full message.     Both Cash and Mac have got off the hook when Dana pointed out Salt isn't really for him, it's his eventing he's into and he's good at it,  the Fund Raiser that was held for Mac after her recovery, Eden and Cash's engagement and plenty of others.  Hospitality does have a place in it, getting the right venues for instance but  Eventing is the main thing.   Seemed to have done the trick as Rose said she hadn't seen him so gung ho for ages, since in fact when he joined the paramedics.  I may have missed something or got it wrong but Dana looked surprised about that, wouldn't he have mentioned it to her at some point? 

I'm liking Michelle, she is really an emphatic person, she's not making all about her but how the fact she has parts of Felicity in her would make other  people feel. Unlike fake Bronte  who got woozy when awkward questions were asked, Michelle seems to be up for  anything, just small concessions.  I think it did Eden a lot of good speaking to Michelle, she was a lot more upbeat than she has been for  a while, filling in Michelle on the Flick she knew, how Flick welcomed her and the rest of Lyrik into her home, looked after them, got them gigs at Salt.  Friends do have  a different perspective than brothers/sisters do to someone they've both known.   Michelle did get a bit of  a shock finding out Flick had been married.    Cash did have  a panic attack when Eden and Michelle were talking  but wisely left the room and took John's advice in and breathed  deeply.  Another awkward  moment when they were at Salt and it came out that was were Flick collapsed and it had been at Cash and Eden's engagement party.   Once again Michelle was there for Cash, not pitying, but just listening.   Not knocking anyone but both Eden and Cash did only  talk about Flick's good points. We know she had plenty of bad ones. 

That did seem spur of the moment Cash taking Michelle to see Gary, I'm guessing he won't be doing in one journey but stopping off to let Michelle have some proper bed rest. 

I liked how John was there to see Cash & Michelle off and be  there for Eden.   Nothing  big, just a loving hug of the shoulder. 

 I agree Flick would be giving him a right ear bashing. 

I can see why Maz got the wrong end of the stick, she knows Leah is planning something but the way Justin was behaving, keep taking these 'secret' calls would make her think he's planning something.  But of course we know it's Claudia who keeps ringing him.   Now he's got himself in a tight spot.  It was funny though when Maz just couldn't help herself revealing to Leah and Justin that she knew about their secret plans.  Then Justin having to 'hide' his from Leah which really peeved Leah as he was scared he'd outdo her, he did plan their wedding after all.  She said she could normally tease it out of him but of course this time he really doesn't have one.   I was wondering if there  had been a second proposal, it would be totally bizarre to celebrate the first one. 

We saw Alf having another heart flutter when he was at the table in the Diner. 

 

 

Edited November 14 by H&Alover

[Foellfan]

23 hours ago, Red Ranger 1 said:

I really hope they've let Gary know they're coming and aren't going to turn up on his doorstep and go "Surprise! It's Felicity's heart!"

I know I shouldn't but the image you evoked had me literally crying with laughter!